How much is your DSLR net cost?
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How much is your DSLR net cost?
I was thinking this evening about the net cost of my non-digicam digital cameras since I could sell them after use. Here is my experience since 2002:
Minolta D7i -- owned 23 months -- $1000 - $400 = $600
Canon 300D -- owned 18 months -- $1000 - $450 = $550
KM 7D -- owned 19 months -- $1500 - $1500 = $0 *1
Canon 30D -- owned 21 months -- $1180 - $650 = $530
Sony A100 -- owned 3 months -- $640 - n/a *2
Sony A700 -- owned 33 months -- $1230 - n/a *3
1. I actually went through two KM 7D bodies and both had major problems. They went back to KM (U.S. and Canada) and Sony 5 times and then on the 6th trip Sony decided to give me a full refund. Kudos to Sony. The whole 19 months the camera had problems.
2. I gave the A100 to my wife after a couple of months and it has had light use. If it was mine I would have sold it a long time ago.
3. The A700 has had a problem for 2/3 of the time I have owned it even though I sent it back to Sony to be fixed. Sadly, because of the problem I can't sell it. If I could sell it I would disclose the problem and might find a buyer to pay a very much reduced price.
It looks like that by far the A700 is my most expensive digital camera since I can't get anything for it by selling it.
What is your experience? What is your net cost for bodies?
Minolta D7i -- owned 23 months -- $1000 - $400 = $600
Canon 300D -- owned 18 months -- $1000 - $450 = $550
KM 7D -- owned 19 months -- $1500 - $1500 = $0 *1
Canon 30D -- owned 21 months -- $1180 - $650 = $530
Sony A100 -- owned 3 months -- $640 - n/a *2
Sony A700 -- owned 33 months -- $1230 - n/a *3
1. I actually went through two KM 7D bodies and both had major problems. They went back to KM (U.S. and Canada) and Sony 5 times and then on the 6th trip Sony decided to give me a full refund. Kudos to Sony. The whole 19 months the camera had problems.
2. I gave the A100 to my wife after a couple of months and it has had light use. If it was mine I would have sold it a long time ago.
3. The A700 has had a problem for 2/3 of the time I have owned it even though I sent it back to Sony to be fixed. Sadly, because of the problem I can't sell it. If I could sell it I would disclose the problem and might find a buyer to pay a very much reduced price.
It looks like that by far the A700 is my most expensive digital camera since I can't get anything for it by selling it.
What is your experience? What is your net cost for bodies?
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Re: How much is your DSLR net cost?
7i - cost unsure - may have been £500. Sold for £350 but was lost by the post (delivered to wrong person) so written off and refused to pay insured cost as it was signed for by 'recipient'. Owned for a little over a year.
A2 - cost about the same I think, maybe £595. Sold for £130 in 2010. Cost me about £85 a year to own.
7D - can't remember the cost. Maybe £1100, they were expensive. Sold for £250. Then bought another one for about £150 and sold that again for another £200. Total time 2004-2009. 5 years, cost under £200 per year.
5D - was affordable, more like £600. Eventually sold for £290. Owned for three years, cost about £100 a year.
A100 - cost £700-ish in August 2006. Still got it (daugher used it for two years).
Second A100 - cost £399-ish in mid-2007, sold for £299 when A700 arrived. Had it for six months, cost £100.
Alpha 700 - seem to remember paying £895. First one from Hong Kong. UK price was over £1000. By the time I had returned the camera to Hong Kong (faulty) the UK price had dropped to the same as the grey import price (within one month). Still have it. Purchased Autumn 2007, three years old now.
Alpha 200 - I think this cost about £350 new. Sold for £250, within the year.
Alpha 350 (first one) - about £550 I think in early 2008. Handed down to daughter to use.
Alpha 900 - cost £1799 in Autumn 2008. Still got it. Got a grip for £179 which I never use.
Alpha 350 (second one) - about £399 on a special deal plus £99 for a grip and spare battery, in 2009. Sold grip for £50, kept battery, handed camera down to daughter's partner so they have two matched A350s to use.
Alpha 380 - can't remember the price but only owned this for one month, in order to test it. Cost me £75 in price drop, sold through a local shop after I had finished with it.
Alpha 550 - £600. Still in use. Would expect to sell for about £350. No reason to sell yet but might buy 580 and sell 550. It is vital to have a spare DSLR.
Alpha NEX-5 - £650 kit. Still in use. Would expect to sell for about £400. No reason to sell.
Alpha 55 - £600 with 18-55mm.
So we still have A550, A700, A900, A55, NEX-5 and our daughter has two A350s. Nikon D5000 kit - cost me about £700, passed on to son's partner on loan. Canon 300D and then 400D - each one cost about £150-200 in depreciation during time of use.
But - if I did not write about cameras, meaning that some purchases beat the loan system queue and enabled me to earn a fee higher than the cost of the camera, I would not have bought the Alpha 200, Alpha 380 or Alpha 550 and might not have risked buying the A55.
The A55 and NEX-5 are partly there as a pair of cameras for future video use. So far, I have not had time to try a two-position take and edit.
Professional work - I would not have bought any of the above APS-C models, the money would have gone on a second A900 or A850 instead.
David
A2 - cost about the same I think, maybe £595. Sold for £130 in 2010. Cost me about £85 a year to own.
7D - can't remember the cost. Maybe £1100, they were expensive. Sold for £250. Then bought another one for about £150 and sold that again for another £200. Total time 2004-2009. 5 years, cost under £200 per year.
5D - was affordable, more like £600. Eventually sold for £290. Owned for three years, cost about £100 a year.
A100 - cost £700-ish in August 2006. Still got it (daugher used it for two years).
Second A100 - cost £399-ish in mid-2007, sold for £299 when A700 arrived. Had it for six months, cost £100.
Alpha 700 - seem to remember paying £895. First one from Hong Kong. UK price was over £1000. By the time I had returned the camera to Hong Kong (faulty) the UK price had dropped to the same as the grey import price (within one month). Still have it. Purchased Autumn 2007, three years old now.
Alpha 200 - I think this cost about £350 new. Sold for £250, within the year.
Alpha 350 (first one) - about £550 I think in early 2008. Handed down to daughter to use.
Alpha 900 - cost £1799 in Autumn 2008. Still got it. Got a grip for £179 which I never use.
Alpha 350 (second one) - about £399 on a special deal plus £99 for a grip and spare battery, in 2009. Sold grip for £50, kept battery, handed camera down to daughter's partner so they have two matched A350s to use.
Alpha 380 - can't remember the price but only owned this for one month, in order to test it. Cost me £75 in price drop, sold through a local shop after I had finished with it.
Alpha 550 - £600. Still in use. Would expect to sell for about £350. No reason to sell yet but might buy 580 and sell 550. It is vital to have a spare DSLR.
Alpha NEX-5 - £650 kit. Still in use. Would expect to sell for about £400. No reason to sell.
Alpha 55 - £600 with 18-55mm.
So we still have A550, A700, A900, A55, NEX-5 and our daughter has two A350s. Nikon D5000 kit - cost me about £700, passed on to son's partner on loan. Canon 300D and then 400D - each one cost about £150-200 in depreciation during time of use.
But - if I did not write about cameras, meaning that some purchases beat the loan system queue and enabled me to earn a fee higher than the cost of the camera, I would not have bought the Alpha 200, Alpha 380 or Alpha 550 and might not have risked buying the A55.
The A55 and NEX-5 are partly there as a pair of cameras for future video use. So far, I have not had time to try a two-position take and edit.
Professional work - I would not have bought any of the above APS-C models, the money would have gone on a second A900 or A850 instead.
David
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Easy question for me, as the A700 is the only DSLR I have ever owned. Paid $890 U.S. (including 6% sales tax) in April 2008 (body only), and have had zero problems with it.
Prior cameras were Olympus OM-2 (with chronic metering problems that Olympus service could not recognize or fix), Minolta Maxxum 5, and Minolta DiMage 7i (which I never really liked). Have no idea what I paid for any of them, but I got many years of use out of the first two.
It's not the DSLR net cost that troubles me, it's the total DSLR system cost--including lenses, flashes, filters, tripods, monopods, ball heads, camera bags, software, books, and gadgets galore. I keep an Excel spreadsheet to track the total cost of my system, and live in mortal fear that my spouse will discover this spreadsheet. (Unfortunately, she doesn't keep a similar spreadsheet for her quilting and embroidery hobbies!)
Prior cameras were Olympus OM-2 (with chronic metering problems that Olympus service could not recognize or fix), Minolta Maxxum 5, and Minolta DiMage 7i (which I never really liked). Have no idea what I paid for any of them, but I got many years of use out of the first two.
It's not the DSLR net cost that troubles me, it's the total DSLR system cost--including lenses, flashes, filters, tripods, monopods, ball heads, camera bags, software, books, and gadgets galore. I keep an Excel spreadsheet to track the total cost of my system, and live in mortal fear that my spouse will discover this spreadsheet. (Unfortunately, she doesn't keep a similar spreadsheet for her quilting and embroidery hobbies!)
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Sony DSLR A700 - Gift ($1,300)
Minolta 70-210/4 - Gift ($172)
Minolta 50/1.7 - $90
Minolta 24/2.8 RS - $214
Tamron 17-50/2.8 - $480
Sony VG-C70AM - $180
Sony HVL-F56AM - $450
NP-FM500H x2 ~ $100
Pile of TTL cords from eBay ~ $60
I'm doing pretty good! My wife reminds me to include my investment in Photoshop CS5 and LR3.
Adobe CS5 + LR3 - $850
Minolta 70-210/4 - Gift ($172)
Minolta 50/1.7 - $90
Minolta 24/2.8 RS - $214
Tamron 17-50/2.8 - $480
Sony VG-C70AM - $180
Sony HVL-F56AM - $450
NP-FM500H x2 ~ $100
Pile of TTL cords from eBay ~ $60
I'm doing pretty good! My wife reminds me to include my investment in Photoshop CS5 and LR3.
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Adobe CS5 + LR3 - $850
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Darn, who do you have who keeps giving you gifts like that?KevinBarrett wrote:Sony DSLR A700 - Gift ($1,300)
Minolta 70-210/4 - Gift ($172)
Minolta 50/1.7 - $90
Minolta 24/2.8 RS - $214
Tamron 17-50/2.8 - $480
Sony VG-C70AM - $180
Sony HVL-F56AM - $450
NP-FM500H x2 ~ $100
Pile of TTL cords from eBay ~ $60
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What I was getting at in my OP was your net cost for bodies you don't have anymore. In other words, purchase price minus selling price and how long you had it. Yeah, I have lots of other stuff (lenses, etc.) that I haven't sold.
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Heh, the camera and lens were wedding presents from my wife and brother. I am half expecting a lens for Christmas this year, too, from the same parties.
As for "net cost," I found the term confusing (granted, I failed Economics in university) but it makes more sense now.
As for "net cost," I found the term confusing (granted, I failed Economics in university) but it makes more sense now.
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I have almost, never sold a single one so my cameras are much more expensive
D7i 1000 till now
D70: 1000
KM7D 1200
KM5D 1000
EOS 30D: 1200
EOS 5D: 1500
A100: 900
A700: 1200
A700: 500
A850: 1500
Nex5: 900
D7i 1000 till now
D70: 1000
KM7D 1200
KM5D 1000
EOS 30D: 1200
EOS 5D: 1500
A100: 900
A700: 1200
A700: 500
A850: 1500
Nex5: 900
Re: How much is your DSLR net cost?
I still have most of my old film cameras, but I don't use them anymore. All through the years of using film I only sold 3 of them. I sold my Mamiya/Sekor 1000 DTL in 1976, sold my Minolta 9xi in 2000, and sold my Minolta XK in 2000. I still have all the rest. With digital though I try to sell when I get a replacement while the old one still has some value. For the last 10-12 years it has just gotten so much easier to sell stuff on ebay, craigslist, etc. than it was pre-internet.Mark K wrote:I have almost, never sold a single one so my cameras are much more expensive
The A700 is the first time I have had one though that I felt like I probably won't be able to sell. I was really lucky that when Sony took over KM that they decided to refund my money for the 7D since it was also unsellable and then at the end it also developed the FFB problem too. The only reason I got the refund though was because someone gave me the email address and phone number for a person at Sony that was fairly high up and after a few conversations she said they would do the refund.
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7D body bought new for £675 and sold for £350. Superseded the Dynax 7 with similar feel. Lovely camera.
A100 bought second hand for around £200 with kit lens (total package for £700 including a Minolta 200G f2.8 and a Minolta 2X teleconverter both sold on for £500). On loan to a friend.
A100 body bought new for £350. Still own.
A700 body bought new for £575. Still own. Love the feel of it.
Contemplating an A580 as a good value for money option to replace the A100 as not convinced the Axx series is for me and suspect the A770 or whatever will be a bit expensive if it ever turns up.
My wife sometimes uses the A100 but also enjoys using an old Z3.
Film cameras were XG2, XD7, X500, 7Xi, 9Xi, 500Si Super (wifes), 2x700Si and Dynax 7 of which I still have the 500Si and 1x700Si.
Lenses far too many to list.
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A100 bought second hand for around £200 with kit lens (total package for £700 including a Minolta 200G f2.8 and a Minolta 2X teleconverter both sold on for £500). On loan to a friend.
A100 body bought new for £350. Still own.
A700 body bought new for £575. Still own. Love the feel of it.
Contemplating an A580 as a good value for money option to replace the A100 as not convinced the Axx series is for me and suspect the A770 or whatever will be a bit expensive if it ever turns up.
My wife sometimes uses the A100 but also enjoys using an old Z3.
Film cameras were XG2, XD7, X500, 7Xi, 9Xi, 500Si Super (wifes), 2x700Si and Dynax 7 of which I still have the 500Si and 1x700Si.
Lenses far too many to list.
Mike
All my Sony SLT gear gone. Still got my RX100 though.
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(none DSLR -> Canon S40, S70)
Minolta 7D + 28-75D used (1600 CAD) ... 2 other body at 500 CAD after that
A700 pre-ordered full price (~1500 CAD) -> kept only one 7D body
A900 pre-ordered full price (~3500 CAD - 200CAD mail rebate from Sony when EOS 5D II price show up...) -> last 7D gone after this purchase
Sony Nex 5 + 16mm 2.8 + Alpha adater ( 1100 CAD ) -> the A700 gone after this purchase.
for lenses ... I prefer not to say ... I don't want myself to realized how many $$$ I have spend in this ... but camera price are very little compare to that![Smile :-)](./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
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Minolta 7D + 28-75D used (1600 CAD) ... 2 other body at 500 CAD after that
A700 pre-ordered full price (~1500 CAD) -> kept only one 7D body
A900 pre-ordered full price (~3500 CAD - 200CAD mail rebate from Sony when EOS 5D II price show up...) -> last 7D gone after this purchase
Sony Nex 5 + 16mm 2.8 + Alpha adater ( 1100 CAD ) -> the A700 gone after this purchase.
for lenses ... I prefer not to say ... I don't want myself to realized how many $$$ I have spend in this ... but camera price are very little compare to that
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Regards,
Frank
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A7 (R, S & R II) + NEX 3N ( and few lenses )
A7 (R, S & R II) + NEX 3N ( and few lenses )
Re: How much is your DSLR net cost?
Frank, are you saying that you still own all of those cameras? Did you sell any of them? If so, what was your net cost (purchase price - selling price)? It is the net cost that I am asking about.InTheSky wrote:(none DSLR -> Canon S40, S70)
Minolta 7D + 28-75D used (1600 CAD) ... 2 other body at 500 CAD after that
A700 pre-ordered full price (~1500 CAD) -> kept only one 7D body
A900 pre-ordered full price (~3500 CAD - 200CAD mail rebate from Sony when EOS 5D II price show up...) -> last 7D gone after this purchase
Sony Nex 5 + 16mm 2.8 + Alpha adater ( 1100 CAD ) -> the A700 gone after this purchase.
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I sold my Canon 60D yesterday so I can add the following:bakubo wrote:I was thinking this evening about the net cost of my non-digicam digital cameras since I could sell them after use. Here is my experience since 2002:
Minolta D7i -- owned 23 months -- $1000 - $400 = $600
Canon 300D -- owned 18 months -- $1000 - $450 = $550
KM 7D -- owned 19 months -- $1500 - $1500 = $0 *1
Canon 30D -- owned 21 months -- $1180 - $650 = $530
Sony A100 -- owned 3 months -- $640 - n/a *2
Sony A700 -- owned 33 months -- $1230 - n/a *3
1. I actually went through two KM 7D bodies and both had major problems. They went back to KM (U.S. and Canada) and Sony 5 times and then on the 6th trip Sony decided to give me a full refund. Kudos to Sony. The whole 19 months the camera had problems.
2. I gave the A100 to my wife after a couple of months and it has had light use. If it was mine I would have sold it a long time ago.
3. The A700 has had a problem for 2/3 of the time I have owned it even though I sent it back to Sony to be fixed. Sadly, because of the problem I can't sell it. If I could sell it I would disclose the problem and might find a buyer to pay a very much reduced price.
It looks like that by far the A700 is my most expensive digital camera since I can't get anything for it by selling it.
Canon 60D -- owned 20 months -- $929 - $670 = $259
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Have never sold one of my DSLRs so this is easy.
A700 - $839.99 US (owned 51 months with zero problems)
A57 - $618.00 US (owned one week)
A700 - $839.99 US (owned 51 months with zero problems)
A57 - $618.00 US (owned one week)
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Too much! It's a real problem. Here we are trying to get Nikon to take BACK and 800E on loan since they first were launched, while I end up getting out the credit card to buy new Sony kit because I can't easily borrow it to review and if I did it would only be around for a week. Thousands, and very little of it justified.
All we actually need is the A580+18-250mm Sigma, the A77 with 16-80/70-300/8-16, maybe the 70mm Sigma macro, and a spare body (A55). But having a NEX kit is a bit compelling, even if I keep thinking of selling it and maybe keeping the RX100 (easier to sell the RX100 as it is so new). And I like having the old A700 and A900 which live in the studio and are so much easier to use with modelling lights and studio flash than the new EVF cameras. I also like to have the 50mm f/1.4.
I don't need the 70-400mm SSM G, the 30mm macro, lots of odd old lenses and adaptors bought for experiments which add up to around £1000 in total despite each one costing so little; nor do I really need, or ever use, my Lensbaby 3G, 85mm f/1.4 Samyang, 16mm full frame fisheye (NEX does that job now), second 70-300mm lens with OS, Sigma 12-24mm (8-16mm does that job on A77 now); I do not really even need the 24mm f/2 CZ, in fact I have no idea where it is as I never use it, it's too big for travel and a 35mm-equivalent view is of little interest - but that lens was bought in anticipation of the A99. Add all this up and I'm about £4-5,000 'down' in terms of equipment I simply do not use.
I am 650+ finished images through my edit of our USA trip, 6 days out of the 16 so far. What I'm seeing from the A77 on such a huge variety of subjects and conditions persuades me it really does match the A900. Also - that 95% of the images are from the CZ 16-80mm.
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All we actually need is the A580+18-250mm Sigma, the A77 with 16-80/70-300/8-16, maybe the 70mm Sigma macro, and a spare body (A55). But having a NEX kit is a bit compelling, even if I keep thinking of selling it and maybe keeping the RX100 (easier to sell the RX100 as it is so new). And I like having the old A700 and A900 which live in the studio and are so much easier to use with modelling lights and studio flash than the new EVF cameras. I also like to have the 50mm f/1.4.
I don't need the 70-400mm SSM G, the 30mm macro, lots of odd old lenses and adaptors bought for experiments which add up to around £1000 in total despite each one costing so little; nor do I really need, or ever use, my Lensbaby 3G, 85mm f/1.4 Samyang, 16mm full frame fisheye (NEX does that job now), second 70-300mm lens with OS, Sigma 12-24mm (8-16mm does that job on A77 now); I do not really even need the 24mm f/2 CZ, in fact I have no idea where it is as I never use it, it's too big for travel and a 35mm-equivalent view is of little interest - but that lens was bought in anticipation of the A99. Add all this up and I'm about £4-5,000 'down' in terms of equipment I simply do not use.
I am 650+ finished images through my edit of our USA trip, 6 days out of the 16 so far. What I'm seeing from the A77 on such a huge variety of subjects and conditions persuades me it really does match the A900. Also - that 95% of the images are from the CZ 16-80mm.
David
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I have also been selling off a few things. The 60D was just the most recent thing. In May while in Tokyo I sold my Canon mount Tamron 18-270mm VC, Sony 18-250mm, Sony 11-18mm, and Sony HVL-36AM flash. I will probably try to sell my Canon mount Sigma 10-20mm and Tamron 28-75mm soon. I am already feeling so much lighter. ![Smile :)](./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
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