70300G First play

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Re: 70300G First play

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ellisn wrote:So busy thinking about keeping the lens at 300 mm, f/5.6 I didn't even think about shutter speed, 1/50 s was just asking for failure.
No, camera shake is not your primary problem. When not shaking too badly then SSS will yield perfectly sharp shots at 300 mm and 1/50 s hand-held. Of course there is some blur due to slow shutter speed here and there but the main issue is a overall soft rendition which has nothing to do with camera shake. If the focus is slightly off then that's the reason. If the focus is not off then I'd say your lens is a lemon.

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I agree with Olaf here - the pictures don't appear to have shake, they either have a focus error or a bad sample of the lens. Don's lovely squirrel shots can be a bit misleading since in some of them, he is inches from the squirrel, and it is too easy to compare a large clip from a frame with a tiny 100 per cent of a more distant subject (this is a permanent web page viewing problem, and I often wonder how many non-techie folk see 100% views and fail to understand what that means - it could mean 100% of the picture, we happen to use the term to mean 1:1 pixel viewing).
squirrel1600-300mm.jpg
View this - it's a screen shot showing a snap taken by Ailsa's boyfriend Colin borrowing the A900 last week, very dark conditions under trees at the zoo. 70-300mm SSM G wide open at 300mm, 1600 ISO, 1/100th. The focus is correct and the magnified part shows what the lens should resolve - every whisker clearly. But, Colin also took many other shots at 1/50th, 1/80th etc where the squirrel had moved or camera shake was not corrected by SS, and most were not sharp. But they were not blurred like your samples are, you can see the movement rather than a soft blur.

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Re: 70300G First play

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If it is a lemon better I find out sooner rather than later so I can get a replacement.

Squirrel wasn't wanting to play this morning but managed to catch him/her a couple of times.

First shot is ISO1600 1/320ss

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Second shot ISO1000 1/125 f/5.6

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Would be grateful for feedback on if I should be concerned with the lens.

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Re: 70300G First play

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It does look as if you are using in-camera JPEGs. They can really soften the results. I see sharp whiskers on the second shot, so the lens seems to be doing the right stuff, but maybe the noise reduction is zapping sharpness too much. Have you made any shots using raw, or at lower ISOs?

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And to get away from squirrels for a bit... sorry doc.

ISO1000 f/5.6 @ 300mm 100% crop
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ISO400 f/5.6 @ 300mm 100% crop
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ISO400 f/8 @ 300mm 100% crop
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does this help?

Or this taken at rough 45 degrees, 300mm

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appreciate all your help
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Re: 70300G First play

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I don't like your full frame results. I think the lens is below standard - the directional flare indicates that it may have decentering. These samples are consistent enough, I think, to get it replaced. My 70-300mm SSM is much better than this - almost perfect images wide open at 300mm.

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Hi neil

I've just chucked the 70300g on my A700 and pointed it out the window at 300mm ISO200 f5.6. No squirrells in my garden but I think the linked jpeg (converted from RAW in LR2) shows some fine detail. If you zoom in you'll be able to make out strands of cobwebs.

http://www.therobertsonhouse.co.uk/image/DSC01366.jpg

Hope this is of some help comparing your issue with other similar configs

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Thanks for the help. I have sent an email to bestcameras, will have to see what they say regarding replacement or refund... oh well so much for christmas early :(
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P.S What's directional flare?
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Re: 70300G First play

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One thing I did notice was the seal on the box:

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makes me wonder if this lens has already been returned by someone else.
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Re: 70300G First play

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If you look at your lettering, it appears more unsharp on one edge than the other. The unsharpness takes the form of light tending to get over dark edges and soften them. That's what I mean by directional flare. You could call it various other things - but it's directional, and that indicates an element or group in the lens is off centre.

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ellisn wrote:One thing I did notice was the seal on the box
Looks like the lens has already done a round trip - DK
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Re: 70300G First play

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deanr1968 wrote:Hi neil

I've just chucked the 70300g on my A700 and pointed it out the window at 300mm ISO200 f5.6. No squirrells in my garden but I think the linked jpeg (converted from RAW in LR2) shows some fine detail. If you zoom in you'll be able to make out strands of cobwebs.

http://www.therobertsonhouse.co.uk/image/DSC01366.jpg

Hope this is of some help comparing your issue with other similar configs

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Thankyou very much, I've been lurking around a while and decided I finally had something to contribut. I hope to contribute more in the future


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Re: 70300G First play

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David Kilpatrick wrote:
ellisn wrote:One thing I did notice was the seal on the box
Looks like the lens has already done a round trip - DK
Ellisn, I am no expert, far from, but I was wondering: Have you compared any other lenses on your camera? Could it be a sensor FF/BF problem?

DK is sure to know if there are clues in the photo to detect lens fault from camera fault.
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