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Re: Future of A mount

Unread postby classiccameras » Fri Aug 30, 2019 4:05 pm

They all trashed the SLT system unjustifiably in my opinion because they found the SLT robbed the sensor of some light. Can't say I saw this in real life pictures, DPReviews even got blamed amongst other review sites for trashing the Olympus 4/3 cameras system to the point Olympus lost a lot of sales and eventually discontinued the format in favour of Micro/4/3, which are doing quite well, I'm in the Panasonic Micro/4/3 club with my GX7 and it takes superb pics
My local camera store is a Pentax main dealer and they are really pushing the newer APS-C bodies for discounted prices, the lenses though are grossly over priced, but there is always 3rd party to build a system,

As for 61 MP, I get some outstanding pics from 12 and 16 mp

Bakubo, your probably more sensible than odd

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Re: Future of A mount

Unread postby bfitzgerald » Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:07 pm

The light loss is there, though it probably hurt the older cameras more than the newer ones. Remember I had the D7000 and the A57, the Nikon is slightly better in low light (less chunky noise at high ISO), but it has no anti shake/IS. So it kinda was less of a problem due to that. I'm not sure if it had impact on sales - it bothers me less than it did, but I feel it is a valid downside to mention - perhaps not as huge as it might be.
I know the 5dMkIII is better at high ISO v the A99, but again no IS and I got one for a very good price. The DR gap is huge even the APS-C cameras blew the mkIII away - that was more important to me.

What I find interesting is the persistent love affair with mirrorless from the "influencers" who is the past panned it. DPR are a bit like that, they see themselves as some sort of driving force for mirrorless. Only thing that interests me is the ability to mount many lenses. What doesn't is the crazy expensive lens prices for native optics - prices I simply will not pay.

As I do YT myself I know what goes on, more views = more income. Photography has heavy brand loyalty - no better way to whip people up than to post controversial videos; micro 4/3 is dead, A mount/Pentax is dead. Tony's pretty clued into things from a business perspective - but I don't find his videos in recent times fall into the "useful" category. $ony are pretty clever, they bagged a lot of big influencers who spew marketing for them to their followers. I'm not convinced, some gullible folks might be ;-D

Rarely are things black and white, people rave about WYSIWYG on EVF's. I got used to them certainly some advantages, I still crave an optical finder it too has advantages.

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Re: Future of A mount

Unread postby bakubo » Fri Aug 30, 2019 7:55 pm

classiccameras wrote:Bakubo, your probably more sensible than odd


Over the last few decades I guess I have just been very good at knowing myself and what I value. If you know that then choosing a camera that matches up with what you want is not all that difficult. For my primary photographic interest (street, travel, etc.) my m4/3 gear that I started using in April 2012 has been the best ever. Small size, lighter weight, great lenses, great sensors, fast, very accurate AF, amazing IBIS, and mostly reasonable prices -- especially if you shop around a bit. The 5 m4/3 bodies I have bought since the first one in April 2012 and the 12 lenses and 1 flash were all bought at good prices, less than the full retail, and all new.

I find m4/3 to be a pretty good jack-of-all-trades system, but like any system it has compromises. You just have to know what compromises you care about and which ones you don't. Also, you have to prioritize things so that a downside aspect that is personally not that important doesn't loom so large in your mind that you forgo an upside aspect that is very important to you. Again, that is all about knowing yourself. (I think lots of people don't know themselves and that leads to all kinds of mistakes and misery in life.) If after 46 years of photographing I was to change my primary focus then there is a possibility that I might choose a different system for that new focus because then my priorities are likely to change as well.

I like the smaller m4/3 bodies, but you give up a little on ergonomics. With m4/3 though I could buy the larger bodies (Olympus E-M1II, E-M1X, Panasonic G9, GH5) to get better ergonomics if that was important to me. And all my lenses would work 100% on any of them. I prefer the smaller bodies though for travel.

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Re: Future of A mount

Unread postby classiccameras » Sat Aug 31, 2019 2:57 pm

Micro 4/3 took some time to get established when the E 4/3 system was discontinued, Photographers were wary of the new format, but eventually the size/weight advantage won many over to the system. Yes, excellent sensors, Olympus now use Sony Sensors, but not sure if Panasonic still use their own, as you may remember all EVOLT Olympus cameras used Panasonic sensors except for the very early models that used Kodak CCD sensors

I'm very pleased with my Panny GX7, it looks like a range finder camera but has a tilting EVF, ergonomically not as good to hold and operate as a DSLR, but the picture quality is outstanding and I can build a small system round that body. However I still like holding a DSLR up at my eye like my A37. Yes, there are some compromises with micro/4/3 but not enough to put you off the system and as you say make that system work for you. I found my EM-10 body just to small and fiddly to use up at the eye, that's now sold

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Re: Future of A mount

Unread postby bfitzgerald » Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:08 am

If I'm correct m4/3 all their bodies have IS built in
I find it very useful - hugely. It's puzzling why Sony denies this to their entry/mid APS-C users only the full frame ones have it
Seems like a deliberate omission to up sell to the more expensive cameras. Have to say at A6600 prices and those new lenses, I'd just ignore the crop sensor cameras -they are not appealing
Anyway we still await something, might be a long wait.

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Re: Future of A mount

Unread postby bakubo » Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:31 pm

bfitzgerald wrote:If I'm correct m4/3 all their bodies have IS built in
I find it very useful - hugely. It's puzzling why Sony denies this to their entry/mid APS-C users only the full frame ones have it
Seems like a deliberate omission to up sell to the more expensive cameras. Have to say at A6600 prices and those new lenses, I'd just ignore the crop sensor cameras -they are not appealing
Anyway we still await something, might be a long wait.


Yes, Olympus has had IBIS all along and for the last few years Panasonic has also. The Panasonic GX7 from 2013 was the first Panasonic with IBIS. The later Panasonic bodies have more effective IBIS than the 1st generation Panasonic IBIS in the GX7, of course.

The GX7 is still quite a nice camera. It was followed by the GX7 II (GX85 in the U.S.) and GX7 III (GX9 in the U.S.). I like the Japan names better since it is much clearer which cameras are in that line.

This video is about telecentricity which seems to be the way the others are going now too.

The Truth About Nikon Z & Canon RF Mounts - Did Micro Four Thirds Adopt Similar Approach?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmVrme5sQl4

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Re: Future of A mount

Unread postby classiccameras » Mon Sep 02, 2019 9:05 am

Interesting video, I suspect though that these Nikon 'Z' & Canon 'RF' lenses are not going to be cheap, and it will also be interesting to see if the 3rd party lens manufactures get interested.

Most Panasonic lenses have built in ILS which is activated when attached to a Panasonic body,
When Olympus first came up with the 4/3 system, it was to design a completely new digital system from the ground up rather than adapting from another design. Several manufactures signed up to the 4/3 concept, Kodak, Fuji, Panasonic, and Olympus, 2 have survived and doing well, but Kodak seems to have fallen by the way side and Fuiji never did go down that road, Kodak's first involvement was making 4/3 CCD sensors for Olympus, later to be replaced by Panasonic CMOS sensors.

I'm very pleased with the image quality from my GX7 and that's just with the 12-32, F/3.5, I am still looking for a tele zoom to complete my simple system, but not a big long one, may be up to 140.

What's happened to Kodak M/4/3, they had a couple of basic kit lenses in their system and not very expensive, but not sure how good or bad they were.

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Re: Future of A mount

Unread postby bakubo » Mon Sep 02, 2019 12:17 pm

classiccameras wrote:I'm very pleased with the image quality from my GX7 and that's just with the 12-32, F/3.5, I am still looking for a tele zoom to complete my simple system, but not a big long one, may be up to 140.


The Olympus 40-150mm f4.0-5.6 gets great reviews from users. I don't have it, but I have held it many times in stores in Japan. Very small and light (has a plastic mount). It goes on sale pretty often. Last week it was $99.99 in the U.S.

https://www.getolympus.com/us/en/lenses/m-zuiko-digital-ed-40-150mm-f4-0-5-6-r.html

Another small, light, inexpensive one is the Panasonic 45-150mm f4-5.6 which also gets great user reviews.


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