I could share my best Lr3 profiles for A700 and Nex5/3

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Re: I could share my best Lr3 profiles for A700 and Nex5/3

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Mind also that it was a Nex5 profile. In order to make a Nex3 profile out of it, you need to open the .dcpr recipe in 'DNG profile editor' having also opened some dng image exported from Nex3 raw.

Generally speaking, exporting a profile made for a specific camera type for some another cam would produce significantly wrong colours. (Exporting some Canon profile for a Sony would be a brain-dead idea totally.)
But the Nex3 is essentially the same cam as Nex5, so it works perfectly.
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Re: I could share my best Lr3 profiles for A700 and Nex5/3

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Thanks! What I have been wondering is how to create full sets of profiles. I have one for the A700 with all the looks - Vivid, Landscape etc - and it's very useful but I have not been able to convert it to A900 or NEX, or find out how this was originally created.

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Re: I could share my best Lr3 profiles for A700 and Nex5/3

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David,

It's all pretty easy once you have a good 'universal' profile for a given camera.
You just need to match the HSL coordinates of a checker samples (or of any other representative image) of the in-cam JPEGs of given styles with the HSL coordinates of your output profile.

So you first export a dng from a 'styled' JPEG and open it in one window of profile editor - this is for picking the style-adjusted values of the JPEG checker.
Then you start a new instance of profile editor with a raw-dng checker image and your 'universal' profile loaded.
Then you just dial in the HSL correction values for the raw-dng image per each checker square. Those correction values are exactly the diff between the JPEG-dng and raw-dng measured HSL values.

That's it. Really takes just a few minutes once you have your data ready.
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Re: I could share my best Lr3 profiles for A700 and Nex5/3

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Thanks - I had not considered converting JPEGs to DNG format to get their data into the system!

I have the usual 23-patch Macbeth checker so I may make up an A900 set with Creative Styles if time permits.

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Re: I could share my best Lr3 profiles for A700 and Nex5/3

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Here's one more A700 profile recipe that is formally more correct than first one I posted.
In that one I used both subjective tuning and formal matching, in order to have the result balanced between those two approaches.

This one is almost exclusively formal, and, as with the first one, I paid special attention to avoid colour noise stemming from local posterisation (like blue sky noise).

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Re: I could share my best Lr3 profiles for A700 and Nex5/3

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Re: I could share my best Lr3 profiles for A700 and Nex5/3

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Re: I could share my best Lr3 profiles for A700 and Nex5/3

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This last profile is a definite improvement over the previous one.
The previous one had more green than red in the bright yellow patch. This profile is better but the patch still isn't red enough.

The standard profile has severe twist in the yellows. You can see it looking at a bright yeloow while crankning up the Recovery slider.
You profile seems to have eliminated this problem...very nice.
Winston Mitchell
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Re: I could share my best Lr3 profiles for A700 and Nex5/3

Unread post by agorabasta »

The yellow patch is rendered incorrectly in the standard sRGB translation of the Macbeth checker. My version is tuned to suit a somewhat better representation of human perception.
And it shows very distinctly especially at low K conditions. So that's intentional.

The first one was tuned mostly perceptionally for the bright summer sunshine conditions.
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Re: I could share my best Lr3 profiles for A700 and Nex5/3

Unread post by agorabasta »

Winston,

I have been looking somewhat further into the rendition of yellows.
It appears that it is still possible to have them closer to the standard but that requires a bit too much correction in the low-saturation orange/reds just to keep those right.
It is still possible to make it all kind of 'right', but it comes at expense of stronger noise in the yellows and in the skin colours, especially at low K WB.

Generally speaking, I find building correct Adobe profiles for the A700 is about the hardest task as compared to other cams like newer Sony's and whatever else.

The 'Adobe standard' profile supplied with Lr3 is totally unusable as it is, despite rendering the checker patches close to correct at some temps.
It may be made almost usable with uniform +20 hue adjustment under the calibration in Lr3, though.
The best of standard profiles is actually the 'ACR 4.4' one, it only renders the blues too dark and greenish.

Also, I must say that the profiles built with that 'DNG profile editor' do render correctly only if you change the 'process' from '2010 current' to '2003'.
Use of the old 'process' also produces less false colours in high-contrast conditions, eliminating green/aqua halos around tree leaves/twigs against bright blue skies, for example.
And it does it better than the 'defringe all edges' option.

All in all, I find the Lr3 quite good still, but it's nowhere near the state of a finished software product, it's more like a work-in-progress late beta.

Anyway, here's a good enough version with more standard yellows -

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Re: I could share my best Lr3 profiles for A700 and Nex5/3

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Re: I could share my best Lr3 profiles for A700 and Nex5/3

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Re: I could share my best Lr3 profiles for A700 and Nex5/3

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Winston
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Re: I could share my best Lr3 profiles for A700 and Nex5/3

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Indeed, the yellows are much better in this latest version. It looks very similar to the ones produced by the X-Rite plugin except for sky color.
Thank You for sharing this.
Winston Mitchell
KM7D, A700, A77, A77M2, A7M3
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