24-85mm Minolta

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Re: 24-85mm Minolta

Unread postby Vidgamer » Tue Dec 22, 2009 1:36 pm

A couple of years ago, I was interested in a kit lens replacement for my A100. They were clearing out some old Minolta lenses, so I checked out the 24-105 and 24-85. Both lenses seemed to be pretty good, but didn't quite "grab" me enough to part with the cash. I liked the 24mm angle -- just wide enough on APS-C for most use, IMHO. It's been a while, but these are my vague recollections from trying the lenses out in the store and "chimping". The 24-105 was good, but the 24-85 was sharper and faster. It seemed to focus and snap the photo faster, although I wasn't sure what aspect of the lens made it seem that way. The larger range of the 24-105 was tempting, though. The one thing that was odd about the 24-85, I had read about online -- sure enough, the bokeh was a bit strange. The 24-105 had smoother bokeh, but the 24-85 would get some patterns in it that could be distracting to some. Overall, the 24-85 seemed to me the better lens. I wouldn't call the 24-105 "soft", but it didn't seem as sharp as I would have liked.

When I discovered that the store also had a Tamron 17-50/2.8, I tried that, and was blown away -- faster, sharper, etc., so I never looked back at those Minolta models.

Going forward, I have occasionally bought cheap old lenses, so I decided to try the 28-105xi. (With a very slight mark on the edge of the front element, it was priced at only $19!) What I see from the performance of this lens sounded similar to other comments I've seen about the 28-105 lenses. In good light, this is a pretty good lens. It has surprised me. In poor light, it's pretty awful. It's particularly bad at the wide end. But recently I discovered that at f8, even my 28mm shots looked really nice -- all the resolution I could want, and great color. The 105mm end doesn't need to be stopped down as much, I don't think, before it looks good. Wide open, somewhere in the range, it has the "dreamy" look someone mentioned. I guess it could make for interesting portraits, but I was kind of surprised to see it show up! Overall, the color looks great, and the bokeh is decent. (You aren't going to get nice round highlights, particularly as you don't want to use the lens wide-open anyway, but with the angular geometric shapes, I kind of like the effect, and it doesn't seem to have otherwise distracting backgrounds like you sometimes see with "bad bokeh". But I can see where many others might not grade the bokeh as high as I do with this lens.)

I really like the 28-105 range for some situations, and if it were a 24-105, I'd probably be a bit happier. 16-105 sounds much better, but that lens has gotten some lackluster reviews, but maybe I should revisit that one someday. But for $19, I think I'd prefer the 28-105 over the others. :D

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I like it too (nudity attachment)

Unread postby youpii » Thu Dec 24, 2009 10:25 pm

I got a new copy of the 24-85RS from a shop who had found 8 unsold copies. I paid about $200 and I'm very happy with that lens. It's my only zoom, all my other lenses are primes: ZA, Minolta & Sigma.
The finish is entry-level but still decent. I like the RS look over the ZA look, especially the rubber zoom & focus rings.
Focussing is quite fast on the A900.
"Sharp enough" at 5.6 and very sharp at 8.0.
So it's a good lens for traveling light and for studio work.

For example, the eyes on this picture at F/8 have plenty of details even if they are near the edge:
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Re: 24-85mm Minolta

Unread postby Dr. Harout » Fri Dec 25, 2009 2:18 pm

Is that beautiful girl a gift from Santa? wow :shock:
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Re: 24-85mm Minolta

Unread postby bakubo » Fri Dec 25, 2009 3:38 pm

youpii, I suddenly realize what is missing from these forums -- more of your photos. :) She is gorgeous! Your photo is great too! :) Feel free to post anytime. That is one hell of a lens you got there. :)

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Re: 24-85mm Minolta

Unread postby KevinBarrett » Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:38 pm

Merry Christmas indeed!
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Re: I like it too (nudity attachment)

Unread postby pakodominguez » Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:01 am

youpii wrote:For example, the eyes on this picture at F/8 have plenty of details even if they are near the edge:

Who care about her eyes?
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Re: 24-85mm Minolta

Unread postby youpii » Sat Dec 26, 2009 12:55 pm

Thanks for the comments on the model, she's indeed very hot :P
But I'm still saying that the 24-85RS is a real bargain. $200 lens on a $2500 camera :D

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Re: 24-85mm Minolta

Unread postby Mark K » Tue Jan 19, 2010 3:12 pm

David Kilpatrick wrote:Jacobs had a new, boxed 'old stock' off the shelf complete 24-85mm for £139.99 inc VAT and shipping on eBay, so after much thought, I went for it. I remember my main issue with the 24-85mm was a poor close-up range compared to the 28-105mm, or the later 24-105mm which I welcomed mainly for superior close-up ability.

But I've been missing the 24mm equivalent (or lens) with my two alternative lenses being the 28-75mm f/2.8 (exceptional for close-ups) and the 28-105mm, on the A900. The 17-35mm is OK at 24mm but can not really be kept on the camera as a walkaround lens. The Sigma 12-24mm is wonderful at 12mm to 16mm, but deteriorates so much that by 24mm it's almost useless (they have always had this problem).

I'll be checking this lens carefully against the 28-105mm, which I know is substantially better than the later 24-105mm.

David

24-85 was the very first serious alpha lens I bought. Later I had loads of others but still remember the joy I found when I saw the result from my Dynax 7000i using this lens. After all, it generates mechanical noise which Sony asked me not to spend money on. I really miss it. I am luck to have alternatives like 24-105 and 24-50

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Re: 24-85mm Minolta

Unread postby bfitzgerald » Fri Jan 22, 2010 12:55 am

Jacob's seem to have dug out another one, this time an original version..listed as new.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Minolta-AF-28-85m ... 5ad680e96f

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Re: 24-85mm Minolta

Unread postby pakodominguez » Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:29 am

bfitzgerald wrote:Jacob's seem to have dug out another one, this time an original version..listed as new.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Minolta-AF-28-85m ... 5ad680e96f

That is a 28-85 -the topic is on the 24-85 like this one (in this case way overpriced) http://cgi.ebay.com/Minolta-Maxxum-SONY ... 53dc9fadaf

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Re: 24-85mm Minolta

Unread postby bfitzgerald » Fri Jan 22, 2010 1:36 am

Ooops my mistake too long at the monitor and too much coffee!

$249.99!
Yeah they are trying it on alright, still with ebay fees I can't blame em

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Re: 24-85mm Minolta

Unread postby pakodominguez » Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:38 pm

I've been thinking about having a wider option for the 28-75 2.8, that I use as a main lens. I was hunting for a Minolta 24mm f2.8 (mostly because any version of the 24mm on MC or MD was as good or better than the competition counterpart) The 24-85 seamed a nice alternative too. It happened that the Adorama Used Department had at the same time both lenses plus a Sigma 24mm f2.8 "Macro" *52mm. I tried the 3 lenses at the counter and this was the result:
Sigma lens:
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Re: 24-85mm Minolta

Unread postby pakodominguez » Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:47 pm

Minolta 24mm
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Re: 24-85mm Minolta

Unread postby pakodominguez » Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:51 pm

Minolta 24-85
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I bought the Sigma and I'm really happy about it
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Re: 24-85mm Minolta

Unread postby bfitzgerald » Sun Jan 31, 2010 12:14 am

Well the sigma looks best on those shots. Have to say, on FF at wide angle, I can't say I shoot at f3.5 that often, in fact I can only think of one time I did :mrgreen:

WA most times means stop it down, how far depends on the lens, some get good early, some a bit later, and some never really get there at all!


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