Dp pulled my thread, well I can guess why!
1: They didnt want to upset adobe
2: People would question the validity of their reviews, which are based heavily on ACR
Dp don't want people talking about ACR and it's flaws..shame on phil and co...money talks eh?
New thread..let's see if this sticks!
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read. ... e=30147114" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Barry F. Blasting Thomas Knoll for ACR/Lightroom Methods
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Re: Barry F. Blasting Thomas Knoll for ACR/Lightroom Methods
I have clashed with phil a few times in the past. But he has yet to ban me, for some reason.
The thing that bothers me, is that I raised a very valid point. Looking at that LX-3 conversion, there are no doubts as to which one is ropey, and which is decent.
This is in the interests of all users, esp adobe ones. LR is the only adobe product I use..I have no time for other stuff, acrobat..hmmm something simple that is slow and bloaty. But LR has the potential to be "great" this let's the show down. I sure wish some open source crowd would take the LR concept and do it nicely..then I wouldn't even want to use LR. We can but hope..
If Dp want to ban me, then so be it..
I saw a few threads on the adobe forums, but Mr Knoll was not too keen to listen..for some reason.
Oh and DP have pulled that one..how nice, I am in the mood for a fight!
The thing that bothers me, is that I raised a very valid point. Looking at that LX-3 conversion, there are no doubts as to which one is ropey, and which is decent.
This is in the interests of all users, esp adobe ones. LR is the only adobe product I use..I have no time for other stuff, acrobat..hmmm something simple that is slow and bloaty. But LR has the potential to be "great" this let's the show down. I sure wish some open source crowd would take the LR concept and do it nicely..then I wouldn't even want to use LR. We can but hope..
If Dp want to ban me, then so be it..
I saw a few threads on the adobe forums, but Mr Knoll was not too keen to listen..for some reason.
Oh and DP have pulled that one..how nice, I am in the mood for a fight!
Re: Barry F. Blasting Thomas Knoll for ACR/Lightroom Methods
This new one seems to have been deleted too. I didn't see either one of them.bfitzgerald wrote:New thread..let's see if this sticks!
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read. ... e=30147114" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Barry F. Blasting Thomas Knoll for ACR/Lightroom Methods
I won't be bothering myself with dp, I have better things to do, including working through some shots at the weekend.
No doubt I will directly tackle phil and co, when they next do a review with ACR..and ask them why they are using the worst software for high ISO. I respect phil for setting up a very popular site, but my respect has died in other areas. I think he should have left the party when the lights went down (aka when amazon bought it out), I don't hang around my ex employers workplaces
You might find this interesting though! lol
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/ind ... 0&start=20" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
No doubt I will directly tackle phil and co, when they next do a review with ACR..and ask them why they are using the worst software for high ISO. I respect phil for setting up a very popular site, but my respect has died in other areas. I think he should have left the party when the lights went down (aka when amazon bought it out), I don't hang around my ex employers workplaces
You might find this interesting though! lol
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/ind ... 0&start=20" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Barry F. Blasting Thomas Knoll for ACR/Lightroom Methods
Interesting!
ACR really struggles in the shadow areas, and has problems. The biggest of which is the nasty artefacts that come about with the "Knoll mushmaster" effect as I like to call it.
Played with IDC v 3, and whilst its not amazing, in most cases it did a better job than ACR, with IDC set to 0 NR.
Ken has now done a new thread, you can read it here..
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read. ... e=30163600" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I don't think Jeff wants to see the reality of the situation..He sure knows far more about PS than I ever will, by a long way. But I do print, and it isn't just about pixel peeping..if you want to squeeze the best possible IQ out of high ISO raw files (whatever camera) ACR is NOT a good choice IMO. Ok I won't notice it on 6" x 4" prints, but hmmm who is printing at those sizes anyway?? Many Adobe guru's are in a state of denial..in my view.
ACR really struggles in the shadow areas, and has problems. The biggest of which is the nasty artefacts that come about with the "Knoll mushmaster" effect as I like to call it.
Played with IDC v 3, and whilst its not amazing, in most cases it did a better job than ACR, with IDC set to 0 NR.
Ken has now done a new thread, you can read it here..
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read. ... e=30163600" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I don't think Jeff wants to see the reality of the situation..He sure knows far more about PS than I ever will, by a long way. But I do print, and it isn't just about pixel peeping..if you want to squeeze the best possible IQ out of high ISO raw files (whatever camera) ACR is NOT a good choice IMO. Ok I won't notice it on 6" x 4" prints, but hmmm who is printing at those sizes anyway?? Many Adobe guru's are in a state of denial..in my view.
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Re: Barry F. Blasting Thomas Knoll for ACR/Lightroom Methods
Here we go, A900 this time.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read. ... e=30262093" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
No need to be Mr Spock to see that there is a problem here. The image processing tools of the pros? Looking at the results, it's hard to see how Adobe can live with the bad PR this generates
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read. ... e=30262093" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
No need to be Mr Spock to see that there is a problem here. The image processing tools of the pros? Looking at the results, it's hard to see how Adobe can live with the bad PR this generates
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