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You don't get it do you? This is not difficult light, this is similar to the Cirque du Soleil stuff I did on the A700. It's actually good light - lighting designed and intended to show off the subject, to audiences, in arenas and on stage. If the light levels in a sports arena were not good, the players would unable to play. I'm talking really cr*p light, domestic tungsten, lower than 2400K, energy saver bulbs, mixed spectrum, poor directional quality - existing light, ambient light, not designed and installed floodlighting and spotlighting for performances and matches. You don't need a DSLR for that - I filed a set of Leonard Cohen's last concert from the KM A2, and the same for Seth Lakeman in close-up in a small club:

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Bear in mind, ISO 200 is the absolute limit for extracting a sharp, low noise 56 megabyte uprezzed file from the A2. This kind of situation could be tackled easily enough when all we had was Tri-X and the stage lights were a quarter of the brightness of the new halogen and xenon stuff.

I shoot a lot in low light which is not intended for spectator comfort, or for photography. Your fish shots are the closest in terms of difficult light, so please, show us a 100 per cent clip at full image res - as I do.

Anyway, cheers! - :

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This is what SS and high ISO and the full format is about for me. 1/10th is not an ideal speed when the bubbles have to be sharp (f2.8 is fine, very limited depth of field is currently fashionable and improves the marketability). I'm not posting this one full frame, either - my real life beer shots are consistent stock sellers, another one sold yesterday, little-known Czech brand in Prague snapped on a real table with real people OOF in the background. The specialist beer magazines prefer them to manufacturer's handouts.

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Very nice beer pic DK! 8)
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David Kilpatrick wrote:... little-known Czech brand in Prague snapped on a real table with real people OOF in the background. The specialist beer magazines prefer them to manufacturer's handouts.
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May I make 3 wild guesses: Starobremen, Kozel and Krushovitsa
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Dr. Harout wrote: May I make 3 wild guesses: Starobremen, Kozel and Krushovitsa
Do I win a A900 ? :lol:
You'll have to wait my becoming an "Imperial Ambassador" to bestow that marvellous goodie on you Your Highness!! :D :D
And that may take an other couple of hundred posts of mine unfortunately...

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aster wrote:
Dr. Harout wrote: May I make 3 wild guesses: Starobremen, Kozel and Krushovitsa
Do I win a A900 ? :lol:
You'll have to wait my becoming an "Imperial Ambassador" to bestow that marvellous goodie on you Your Highness!! :D :D
And that may take an other couple of hundred posts of mine unfortunately...

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No, something else - it may not even be Czech - Gambrinus:

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It's not a very bright shot because I was forced to use Canon 300D and KM A2 for this trip, it's on the A2 - these days, I go for much brighter more colourful processing, doing that with the A2 tends to boost noise too much. But - it's sold, $70 is not a fortune and commission comes off that. Still worth doing.

I don't know Kozel and Krushovitsa. But I do photograph my beer anytime the glass looks good and has the right logo, and the conditions are OK - good head on the beer, frost on the glass, no big fingermarks or spills on the table and so on. And I've had repeated sales to a World Beers guide which is republished every year, as a result. I also photograph my food, especially local or national dishes.

Dr H, your pictures of Armenia and markets etc would earn you an A900 through Alamy and maybe a specialist geographical agency.

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A beer photo thread - that is something I could really get in to :D

May be a few single malts later on as a night cap?

Tonight I'm going to the monthly "Dad's night out" for our "baby-group" (NCT). It's at an Austrian theme bar. Great beer, lovely schnapps, but a guaranteed bad head tomorrow :evil: (I will not be taking my dslr though!)

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Birma wrote:Slainte! (or should that be Prost!)
SKÅL! :D
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Sonolta wrote: LOL...Give me a link to your stock collection...I want to take a look and see how much low light stuff you actually have on display.[/b]
I can easily show over 5,000 high ISO images that are on-line already...what is your low light count?
Not many, relatively - low light tends to be events-related, and events have a short lifespan for stock sales. I'm still selling work from 40 years ago, and while I know that 80 per cent of my current shots will be outdated in a few years, I don't do much event shooting. Something like the Cirque du Soleil was an unusual thing; I was invited to do it (a month before the event) and knew that it would be timed for the week before I had to finish my magazine report on the Alpha 700. Only 20 UK photographers were given passes to shoot it and most were nationally known pressmen (I recognised a few I've known for years by face but not by name).

Our national stadium sports in the UK are completely restricted - all photography is banned except a very small group of newspaper or agency guys. The football associations even tried to claim copyright of all their images last year, and it took a threatened walkout (no coverage at all) to get them to change it. Local sports (regional) are of no interest whatsoever. The local papers do run photos, they do assign photographers, but they are generally weekend part-timer amateurs who are either paid very little or unpaid. Very few of our local and regional papers pay anything at all for outside photos. So, here, your main reason ever to do the kind of stuff you do is as a photo hobbyist or sports hobbyist, supporting a local team. There can be some money in print sales from sports meetings such as our Highland Games (which involve many normal sports like running, as well as the Scottish stuff).

By the way, I found your comment about my showing disrespect for 'sports and fish photographers' funny. We don't have many fish photographers! And of course, when I referred to stadium lighting I was not referring to your fish!

Here's a couple of links: the first should enable the entire Alamy collection to be seen -

http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography/ ... trick.html

This should provide a 'Lightbox' which is a bit clumsy for night shots alone:

http://www.alamy.com/royalty-free-image ... D%26cdn%3D

While it's not a large number, the range of conditions and subjects covers many types of lighting - it also covers from slide film to Nikon D3 and Sony A700, no A900 yet. No Cirque du Soleil - restricted use contract means I am only ever able to use those images on this website, in Photoworld, and in the British Journal of Photography.

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Sonolta wrote: A single rights managed Red Finned Borleyi shot, not even as good as this one, has paid for several of my cameras all by itself!

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But - tell me - is the value in the fish or the photo? I don't know what that fish is or why it's special, but I know some of the fish you deal with are rare and valuable. If you have access to subjects which no-one else can illustrate easily, it is possible to make big money from relatively straight pix of moderate - good enough - quality.

I still don't know why someone paid $400 for an RF download of a shot I took of a public aquarium in Nice with a yellow tang in the foreground. That's such a common fish every marine aquarium has them.

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Oh man our family can't do fish. Twice now since the kids were small we've set up aquariums with fish and weve managed to murder them all. the only one that lasted was a 50cent goldfish my youngest daughter won at a carny game .. that one lasted 7 years in a fish bowl

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Sonolta wrote: Anyone that owns cats knows that you can not pose them to look into a light! The catchlights you see on some of those are from a double hung window some 20+ feet away... :lol:
-Sonolta
I've got cats for more than 20 years, but you simply do not seen to know the trick :lol:
Anyway, thats not the issue. I said it looks like it's etc...thereby expressing the fact that there is distinct light difference between the two crops. You want to see the two histograms of the crops ? One entirely on right side ( to be more specific: the A700 one) and the A900 crop is all the way on the left.

I do not know what DP did with his picture in software. But i've seen the cat pictures on your site with the A700 after some heavy reduction of the resolution. I also suspect you used some NR. Could you tell us how you did it so we can understand some differences ? I mean, there are iso 6400 picture of cats that look like they were stolen from the 5DMII. So tell us your secrets.

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I saw them. But the dark eye from the A900 is about two stops underexposed compared two an evenly exposed picture like the ones you are pointing at now. You are bound to see more noise in that part of the a900 picture.

But what about the secrets ? I just did a resizing and this seriously reduces noise on the A700 pictures. But I still need NR to get the same effect as yours. Can you lift the lid a little bit ?
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I'm not sure what to answer. All of the cat photos on your website show the same style of reduced noise. I like to know how you got them like that.
Follow your own like you provided and you will see the samples I found on your website before. It's about those pictures.

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Sonolta wrote: #9 I often expose to the right, and with the a700 files I at times pull back as much as two stops in post...that may be why my images look more noise free than what you are used to seeing at similar ISO values.
You have your answer.

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