Nikon D3X DXOMark Numbers Blow the Sony A900 Away!

[caporip]

Mmmm you dont bash hate to see ypur post when you do lol


[Olaf may be the biggest hack photographer on the planet....Take a look at his personal website if you don't know what I am talking about.

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The guy has not yet posted a good picture to this or any other forum that I can find. Olaf is about as clueless as it gets with regards to bokeh and macro shooting and I highly doubt he is a wide angle specialist either!

-Sonolta[/quote]

[Greg Beetham]

Don you're a fine one to talk about others "bashing you" this is the way you indulge in a discussion about a camera,

"Olaf may be the biggest hack photographer on the planet....Take a look at his personal website if you don't know what I am talking about."

"It's not bashing when the facts are on your side. BTW, I don't bash...I refute nonsense with facts so maybe you need a more careful reading of the threads. BTW...many a back door Nikon basher in here as this site is a low traffic version of Sony fanboy central."

"Nobody is ranting and I am ALWAYS in the market for a new camera. BTW...most of my posts are spot on and if an idiot or two needs to hear something three or four times it ain't my fault."

The above is a small sample of how you speak to people about cameras.
Greg

[Greg Beetham]

Mate, I happen to think you are a very good photographer, but you go and spoil it all by starting to get agro with a poster rather than just talking about the camera....
Greg

[Greg Beetham]

Actually I missed that whole conversation, I must have been at work or asleep, anyway as much as I like too watch the news and like to try and keep abreast of American issues I still miss quite a bit, so I'm no expert on a lot of the happenings and when they happened etc. Important stuff (too me) Marilyn Munro died, Elvis Presley died, the big O died, President John F Kennedy assassinated, 9/11, fires and floods etc.
And yeah your right about getting noble, unduly, I don't know what came over me.
Greg

[Argonaut]

Two things: first, don't nobody be bashing on the KM5. I own one and any dude that says any other camera has better DR is going to be the next guest victim on Fringe.

Second, the guy who said don't shoot the messenger never met Sonolta. I find his diatribes insulting not because he bashes anyone who isn't on fire, but because he assumes that everyone is so stupid they will accept Sony PR as gospel, and that he and only he is going to save us from our miserable fates as pawns of the capitalist running dogs, and that to do this he must write tediously, unendingly, repetitiously, and LOUDLY.

Feh. I'm off to member control to arrange his disappearance.

[Greg Beetham]

I'm with you on the KM5D, I own one as well, I just love it's elegant uncluttered design and functionality, and takes damn fine photos as well..top work KM...posthumously of course

Don't worry about Don, it seems he likes to play the bull in the china shop, with his "get a clue's" and "you must have two d...s, you couldn't be that stupid playing with one" routine....getting everyone stirred up, it's his "thing".....a bit of a strange thing for sure, but it takes all types to make ze world, besides how would you ever know just how nice nice people were if you had no yardstick to gauge by...
Greg

[alexramos7]

Well, is very interesting how some number on a chart take better pictures than an user...

For me the D3x is a very good camera, but in the real life the difference between D3x and a900 in IQ is difficulty apreciate, but... I think I will take better picture is I use the D3x, DXO Mark told me that...

[stevecim]

Hmmm

I can see this topic going on and on

Can we all just agree that going by what's on the DxOmark web site, we can see that the a900 is the 6th best over all camera, 3rd best color depth, 5th best dynamic range and 7th best low light ISO, the Nil D3x is 20% beter in the low light ISO test, 5% beter in the other tests and cost $6000 more.

Not bad for Sony's 6th camera released and their first full frame.

I would like to see some dxomark results for the a700, it would be very interesting if they could test the a700 with version 1 FW then v4 FW. to see if FW has any impact to their testing.

And don't forget that the a350 is the 14th best over all camera 2 cameras in the top 20 go Sony

P.S Don't any body try and flame me, it would be a waste of flame, I'm very thick skined Hmmm sometimes my wife said I thick headed has well but's thats another story

[Greg Beetham]

Actually, I personally don't give a flying err..toss about DxO and their scores, I've seen some fabulous shots by DK (and others) with both the A700 and the A900 and that's really all I need to know about how good they are.
Greg

[picman]

Hmmm

I can see this topic going on and on

Can we all just agree that going by what's on the DxOmark web site, we can see that the a900 is the 6th best over all camera, 3rd best color depth, 5th best dynamic range and 7th best low light ISO, the Nil D3x is 20% beter in the low light ISO test, 5% beter in the other tests and cost $6000 more.

It sure scores nicely for the price, I see no problem there. However, what is far more worrying to me is the QC problem they clearly have over at Sony. Report upon report keeps appearing on various sites concerning QC problems with both cameras and lenses. What I find particularly worrying is the QC of the Zeiss lenses, because whereas the Alpha bodies have a very clear price advantage compared to Nikon, the Zeiss lenses are priced similarly if not more expensively.

Cheeers, Bob.

[Vidgamer]

Don you're a fine one to talk about others "bashing you" this is the way you indulge in a discussion about a camera,
.....

You forgot, "You must be off your meds!", and I think DK has been pretty controlled in his messages and doesn't deserve this treatment.

That's not to say that Don isn't right, just that this isn't a nice way to go about making a point, tossing these bombs around. Not a good way to win friends and influence enemies, so to speak.

[alexramos7]

Wow... I think that Annie Leibovitz should to see that... her picture will be better when she get a D3x...

[alexramos7]

I think she is photographer and doesn´t videographer... She changes her equipment 3 time each year.

[Greg Beetham]

If you were to take those charts as gospel...then looking at the A100 vs KM5D there is "apparently" about 1/2 stop difference in gain at 100ISO, the KM5D is closer to 200ISO when set at 100ISO according to DxO, I just did some tests both in A mode same settings (100ISO Auto WB) same lens and zoom setting (50mm) same f/stop (f8) at the same subject (concrete pad) at the same distance etc. and both cameras selected the same shutter speed ie. 1/200sec..then I crosschecked with S mode, same everything else and set shutters at 1/200sec and both cameras selected f9 in other words same same.. if one camera was closer too ISO200 and the other wasn't then there would be some difference in exposure surely.
The only difference I could see was in the histograms, the A100's was slightly left of center and the KM5D's was slightly right of center.
BTW what happened to the KM5D's ISO Lo80 in their plot???
Greg

[Greg Beetham]

If I hold both cameras up and look at the screens with the histo's showing there is very little difference on average, though the sunlight was just a little variable, I had too wait for small fast low clouds scudding through quite a bit too get the sun in the clear, and there was also some thin high level cloud but that was almost stationary but it still could have interfered I guess, if I see later that there is no cloud I'll repeat the test and I'll also use a tripod and my Minolta MkIV light meter too make sure the ambient light is the same for all shots.
I took four images with the KM5D and two are a tiny bit right, one bang on middle, and one is a little left, the A100's two images are both a little left. At this stage though I don't have much confidence in DxO.
Greg