A900 and D3X studio comparison

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Re: A900 and D3X studio comparison

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Sonolta wrote:Fanboys will be fanboys....lol.

-Sonolta
And guys who believe one lab and one lab only will be .... annoying.

This is a test to show what our eyes see, not what some test lab's faulty numbers show. This is photography, not image science. If the human eye doesn't agree with the lab results, then that just shows that the lab's model isn't right. After all, no one has created an eye-brain link yet except God, and He didn't bother to write the specs down where we can find them.

No matter what the lab may say, if the human eye finds one more pleasing than the one the lab says is technically superior, the lab loses.

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Sonolta wrote:The a900 Raw plots look worse at full rez...these are normalized at 8MP.

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I'm gonna race my VW against your Ferrari. By the way, we've 'normalized' them both down to 50 horsepower!

di Vinci's version:
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'normalized' version:
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Any other silliness you want to engage in?

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Sonolta wrote: You are a clueless fanboy idiot who clearly can not read! I have posted info from FOUR LABS to this thread! Popular Photography, Imaging Resourse, DXO, and Diwa. Get a clue you moron.

Actually, you post 2. The other 2 just copy DXO Labs. An authoritative resource is someone with original research, not someone who quotes someone else.

Stop ignoring the picture's and testing done by REPUTABLE labs, test sites, and reviewers. NOT SONY FANBOYS THAT OWN SONY MAGAZINES AND WEBSITES!

Well, I don't own any Sony magazines or websites. I'm also not saying that Sony is the best at everything. As I've stated before, I believe Sony is the clear price/performance leader, and their DSLR products meet me needs.

You are as dumb as they come.
I will repeat, you are as clueless as anyone I have ever met.
You are a moron plain and simple.
Get a clue, and a life, and please stop telling lies and peddling your nonsense around the forum.

-Sonolta
Honestly, Don, I'd like to debate you on your level, but I just don't know how to stoop that low!

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Sonolta wrote:Dusty clearly overlooked the Diwa Labs results as well...here they are again:

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I saw those, Don, but even being blind in one eye, I noticed the DXO watermarks on the results!

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good to see you learnt some restraint in your absence Sonolta..............
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Sonolta wrote: You must be blind in both eyes....DIWA does the tests with the camera and a lens using the DXO Anylizer you freaking goofball!

http://www.diwa-labs.com/wip4/detail.epl?cat=8009" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

FTR almost every manufacturer, review site, and lab on earth uses the DXO Anylyzer for gosh sake. :roll: BTW...you keep skipping the image resource studio images as well as the Popular Photography conclusions as well. :lol:

Get a clue!

-Sonolta
Don, I believe I can see more with one eye than you can with 2. The title of this thread is "A900 and D3X studio comparison", yet your above link shows nothing about a D3X, it shows Canon's 5D Mark II.

The same for your Image Resource link, it's comparing the Sony to a Canon.

At one time almost everyone thought the world was flat, what does that prove? If I use a test suite that doesn't give real world results, and everyone else does, too, does that make us all right or all equally wrong?

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Sonolta wrote:This one is just for fun! :mrgreen: A DXO non-normalized comparison (straight output)...a900 vs D700 vs D90.

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Which one of those is a D3X again?

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Sonolta wrote:
Dusty wrote: Honestly, Don, I'd like to debate you on your level, but I just don't know how to stoop that low!
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You don't debate. You are a Sony fanboy that prefers ignore the facts, test results, and the studio images to instead tell lies and post nonsense to the forum...I don't have time to debate nonsense - so I call them like I see them and I see you sir as a digital idiot.

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I do debate, Don, I interject logic into debates, you rant and throw up a bunch of charts, many not even about the cameras in question, and add ad hominen attacks, because you cannot respond to logic.

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Sonolta wrote:
Dusty wrote: Which one of those is a D3X again?
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It don't take the D3x to waste the a900 in many areas....the APS-C Nikon D90 at $900 hangs with the a900 quite nicely and it shoots video to boot!

http://www.photoclubalpha.com/forum/vie ... 811#p16801" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

-Sonolta
At 1/2 the MPs? You have got to be kidding. And I also believe that this is Photoclub Alpha, not Videoclub Alpha.

Buy one, Don, if they're so great.

What do you call someone who continues to bash the products he's using for digital photography, while both praising the competition and refusing to switch?

Wait a minute, the term was just used in a recent post.... A digital idiot!

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So, are you guys just trying to "win" at this point? Sony's SLRs aren't the best, but they are certainly a great value, and it's alright to get enamored over a good deal...to a point. Sonolta, I appreciate your presence on this forum because among other things, you do a wonderful job of bringing perspective and facts to a thread, but one need not be so combative. Dusty, you aren't the only one who is annoyed by link salad, but sometimes the competition deserves praise. If we never acknowledged where the competition offered a better camera/lens/etc..., how could we send a message to Sony about what we hope for in future products?

Most of what people are splitting hairs about in this thread will not make a difference in a print. But since cutting edge is cutting edge, and if one wants to make the very best quality images down to pixel level, one would likely do their own research in system utility and image quality before purchasing a camera in the $3k-8k range.
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KevinBarrett wrote:So, are you guys just trying to "win" at this point? Sony's SLRs aren't the best, but they are certainly a great value, and it's alright to get enamored over a good deal...to a point. Sonolta, I appreciate your presence on this forum because among other things, you do a wonderful job of bringing perspective and facts to a thread, but one need not be so combative. Dusty, you aren't the only one who is annoyed by link salad, but sometimes the competition deserves praise. If we never acknowledged where the competition offered a better camera/lens/etc..., how could we send a message to Sony about what we hope for in future products?

Most of what people are splitting hairs about in this thread will not make a difference in a print. But since cutting edge is cutting edge, and if one wants to make the very best quality images down to pixel level, one would likely do their own research in system utility and image quality before purchasing a camera in the $3k-8k range.
Not trying to "win" Kevin, just pointing out (again) that an image in more than the sum of it's DXO Labs numbers. I liked parts of both the Sony and Nikon originally posted photos.
I have said in other threads that I bout Sony for it's price/performance point. Many factors went into that, not just IQ, although I'm happy with my A350's IQ. I'm not a high ISO user, nor am I gazillion frames a second shooter.

Camera selection is much more complicated today than when I started. Identical lenses using on differing cameras with identical film and exposure produced identical results, unless one of the cameras didn't fire at the the selected speed. Basically, if the camera had the few features you needed, and glass of sufficient quality, you could do whatever you needed with it. Today you are 'stuck' with whatever film the camera has in it, and while you can dial in exposures to suit your needs, resolution, 'grain' and other things are not going to change.

I would LOVE to see the DR and TR of sensors match and even exceed film. As I and 3/4 of the respondents to the high ISO poll stated, low light is not that much on our radar. However that's not even in question here, although someone want to keep posting about that in the thread. I love resolution. Granted, resolution without quality is doggie-doo, but I don't think that's really a problem with the A900. I would love to someday have a great digital camera that I can hold in my hand, shoot like a 35mm, and get 8x10 view camera results from. Some people have no desire for that, they many a 128000000 ISO camera that will do 72 fps. To each his own!

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I think I'd be quite happy with $3000 worth of snr and slightly more accurate colours (some), than $8000 worth.
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The $3000 vs. $8000 difference is huge. Sony has done a good job, IMO, of bringing a lot of value (features) at competitive price-points. This is part of their long-term strategy, I'm sure. I think adding more MP is as well. Even DXO has an article on how more resolution is better. It's not a gimmick like it is on P&S cameras, as we really can make use of more pixels in DSLR-land.

If you're a pro photographer, I'm sure you can justify the cost of a D3X. On a budget and as a hobby, I think my Sony does fine.
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Granted the graphs "indicate" the D3X wins in low noise, but if you look at the first set of graphs you posted at the top of this page, especially the one's above the graphs with the progress bars, the A900 isn't too bad in three parameters and only serioulsy lacking in one, Low-Light ISO = 1431 to the D3X's 1992, so for an extra 5000 coconuts you get a smidgin more Colour Depth and better low light ISO hmmmm....
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Re: A900 and D3X studio comparison

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Oh nice, what could have been a good thread has been destroyed because captain idiot returned.

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