Amazing amount of fine detail captured by the Sony Alpha 900

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Re: Amazing amount of fine detail captured by the Sony Alpha 900

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Sonolta wrote:This thread is becoming a big fat a900 fanboy joke....The OP keeps dropping link after link to his own threads in other forums, and to his a900 web pages!
-Sonolta
Don,
It took you TOOOOO LONG to understand it...
:-/
the tiger pic will have more rez if taken (and framed better) with the A700 and the same lens.
whatever, no new pics of pom-pom girls on your stock?
;-)

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You guys miss the point I am trying to make.

The point is not that the 900 might have some issues that won't work for some people. The point is that with the introduction of the A900 and other full frame high MP cameras, and given enough time, 24 MP will become the new 11 MP. 4 years ago, people thought 11 MP was insane, now it's the "standard". And I am willing to bet the price will come down on cameras of those resolutions to boot.

If you don't think sony (and all the other manufactures) will work the bugs out, you are mistaken.

You can be an early adaptor or a late adaptor, it is your choice.
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Don,

I really wish you would quit referring to me at all in any of your replies. I don't know why you must continue to spread your opinion of what our site is or your opinion of me is over and over and over again.

I have completely quit referring to you in any sort of manner in any forum for quite some time now despite me seeing various threads here and other places in which you continue to sarcastically refer to me however you wish.

Out of respect for you and your opinions I have done this, despite the fact that you and I obviously disagree on many topics. Dare I ask you to do the same?

This is me asking you nicely to please cease your rants about me and OUR website (there are more than one person(s) that run AMW).

I'd appreciate the same professional respect that I have been giving you. What is in the past has been in the past for me for quite some time now.

Thank you in advance,

Carl
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Ok.

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Sonolta wrote:It's missing a ton of features, a quality JPG engine, and it's frame rate can not keep up with many other cameras, it's high ISO can be improved, etc, etc.
Again, these are all technical issues that can, and will be solved going forward.
Sonolta wrote:No it won't...we are approaching the point of diminishing returns with high MP counts on this sensor format. Lens quality can not keep up, diffraction becomes an issue, noise control becomes an issue, frame rate become an issue...etc.etc.etc.


You are wrong. Resolution will only continue increase. As a result, we will see new lens, image processing technology IN THE BODY and printing technologies, that will allow these resolutions to become not only practical, but affordable for the AVERAGE consumer. We are all basing the need for camera resolution based on 150-300 DPI printing. Well, what happens when I make a 600 DPI printer? All of these technologies are interrelated.
Sonolta wrote:24MP is beyond what most of need or want and that is the facts jack.
Well, that is a matter of opinion. You can make a technical case for what people NEED (although in reality, it is still just opinion). You cannot make a technical arguement for what people WANT. I don't think Sony is having any problems selling the 900, simply on the 24 mp # alone. There are alway people that have to have the biggest and "the best" (again opinion), this camera is made for them. The Corvette isn't the best made car in the world, it's expensive, it's totally impratical for most people, but it is fast and people buy just because of that.

You can be an early adaptor or a late adaptor, it is your choice.
Sonolta wrote:Like I said before...24MP FF will NOT be the standard (at least for a very, very long time). It might be a standard if you want resolution only and you want to use a DSLR and not a MF camera. But if you want a tool for almost every job a great 12-16MP FF offering with great high ISO, a faster frame rate, live view, and video will be the camera the suits most people just fine in the future.
I am guessing the time frame is two to three years for most folks to be well on their way to converting to 24+MP full frame cameras. "Full" adaption within 5 (24MP will standard, with some holdouts). All of these other issues you mention can be overcome with engineering. All engineering issues can be solved with enough time and $$.

Why would manufactures push full frame cameras? For exactly the reason you stated. Money. What a great way for you to spend a ton of cash? Convince you that you need to buy this great new toy. Oh, guess what, all of your old lenses and accessories are now obsolete. I'm sorry, you will have to buy new ones. This has been happening in electronics for years. Black and white TV, Color, 19", 25", Projection, HDTV, Plasma, LCD.... Video tape (beta/vhs), DVD's, MP4's, Blue Ray. Records, tapes, CD, MP3's. How many times I have I bought the same music or movie in a different format? It's simple marketing, and why all of the manufactures will push high MP full frame cameras while phasing out older models. It's about $$$.
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Ok, let's just make this simple.








You are right.








About Everything.












Always.
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Sonolta wrote:The key for making $$$ on Sony SLR's is selling lenses and accessories, not 24MP FF bodies. This is why they are trying to get a Sony low end DSLR in every woman and child's hands. If Sony wanted to make more $$$ on bodies then they would offer D3, D700, and 5DMKII equivalents and that would draw many more users, and compel many more system conversions. I suppose Sony does not yet posses technology or the experience or the money to do this so that is why you see them playing the MP race game offer limited features game and not much in the high end. Sony also needs to expand the lens lineup to include true quiet focus lenses, a TnS lineup, a full macro accessory lineup, and they also need to fill out the existing lineup in addition to adding more usable FF bodies and advanced APS-C models.

-Sonolta
Sonolta,

I think we are coming to a common understanding/agreement. Do you remember Betamax? Who introduced that? Oh, yeah, it was SONY! Do you think they learned a lesson from that? You betcha.....

I guess my point is this. Sony is new to the camera game. They are going up against some VERY WELL established, and highly regarded companies/competitors in Nikon/Cannon (argueably superior). Betamax was arguably superior to VHS, yet sony lost that battle. What they learned from that is the only way to "win" the game, is market penetration. Do I really need to go much farther? I think you have already made the points I am headed towards.... :)

Anyway, just my ramblings, as usual...
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Lonnie Utah wrote: I think we are coming to a common understanding/agreement. Do you remember Betamax? Who introduced that? Oh, yeah, it was SONY! Do you think they learned a lesson from that? You betcha.....
Well, I think Sony did learn THAT lesson: look what happened with the Blue Ray and all the technology behind.

Now, talking (video)dSRL... well, lets see what happens in September -they have a challenge with this low light event and with all the speculation about A500/A550/A850, we will probably get an answer on how fast Sony learns.

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Sonolta wrote:And now to the girls.... 8) Yeah, I have several games worth of dance and cheer pix I have not yet edited. I got lazy as I have a few guys shooting (with D3's) for me and I posted those galleries instead of editing my own pix. :oops:
Don, this may not be politically correct, but I have to say I enjoy seeing your cheerleader photos more than the football player photos. :) Please post some when you feel like it. :) I guess it would be hopelessly sexist for you to start a thread where we could all post photos of pretty girls..... :)
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Sonolta wrote:If someone produces a 35 mm full frame camera with 100 Megapixels, beware. Given the limitations of the wavelength of light, no lens can live up to that resolution. I suggest that the Megapixel race is over. Marketing people may produce one of these cameras, but no physics expert will buy one.

-Sonolta
There is a way to do this, (100MP camera) but not on a 35mm sensor. The model is the eye of an insect, multiple lenses and multiple sensors stitched together with a "brain". however, this is most likely not a practical solution for most applications. I could see uses in science applications like astronomy and cell biology....
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Sonolta wrote:
bakubo wrote:Please post some when you feel like it. :) I guess it would be hopelessly sexist for you to start a thread where we could all post photos of pretty girls..... :)
It's as good as done! I love pretty girl threads and I will process a few pix and get one going by the end of today. :) Heck, even my wife knows the pretty girls are where the hits are at... 8)

-Sonolta

Don't forget controversy, too. Right you are, again.

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Sonolta wrote:Carl, it's called thinking, comprehension, and understanding. I am not a sheeple and I will not act like a sheeple. FTR I just tried to contact you by PM but it appears as if your settings are not allowing me? I have been having trouble receiving PM's lately so maybe the trouble is with the forum or my account and not your settings?

-Sonolta
I stand to learn much from that wisdom Don, thank you again.

I do not know why your PM's aren't going though I haven't messed with any of those settings since I've been aboard here. Join and post has been my only contribution. Perhaps ask David? I don't have any other suggestions. I certainly haven't blocked any one out.

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Sonolta wrote:Do other logged in PA users see a PM button listed under Carl's posts?

Carl, why don't you make a few posts related to camera performance and it's feature set? Or maybe you can tell us how you finally found out how great the 7D is four and one-half years after it was released?

-Sonolta
Thats an excellent idea Don, I should do just as you've suggested on both counts.

Thank you!
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Sonolta wrote:Maybe you would you like me to do it for you? Would that be better for you? When you finally find your posting game please be sure to include some real world a900 high ISO work, and if you have any real world low light action shots I would love to see a few of those as well.

Carl, from what I see here in this forum you have the same posting problem over at DPR...you post a bunch of smart a$$ one-liners that don't mean a hoot. Am I wrong on this? Or am I just the wrong threads?

-Sonolta
No Don, you aren't wrong. You are never wrong. I think you have made that quite clear for everyone, no sense in you asking me that question.



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Sonolta wrote:When are you going to start posting those a900 and 7D speaks? Can you point me to any solid threads you have contributed here?

-Sonolta
I am sorry Don no I do not have any solid threads I can point you to ....other than the time you asked if the A200 would be a good back up body and I went into some detail as to why I thought it was.

Other than that, I help run an entire website helping many very friendly people every day who unfortunately don't feel the same way about me as you. Its too bad they are all mindless zombies who are under my psychic powers of sheepish influence. I'll suggest they should all come over here so they can really learn something from you.

Ill go ahead and make that suggestion on our site for you, if thats ok? Ecto Gammit, you know.

Thank you again,

Carl
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