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I ordered a used 12-200mm yesterday so I will probably receive it in a couple of days. I also bought a used, but looks brand new, E-M1 II a few days ago. I am looking forward to trying out the lens. The E-M1 II + 12-200mm is a bit larger/heavier than my typical E-M10 II + ECG-3 grip + 14-150mm II that I have used so much for international travel for the last few years, but because of the pandemic I haven't done any international travel since November 2019. My last big international trip for 6-7 weeks was in January/February 2018 to Germany, Poland, Austria, Czech Republic, Hungary, and Morocco (3 weeks) and I mostly used my PEN-F + 14-150mm II. The PEN-F and E-M1 II are very close in size (length).
E-M1 II + 12-200mm and E-M10 II + ECG-3 grip + 14-150mm II
E-M1 II + 12-200mm and PEN-F + leather half-case + 14-150mm II
I dunno the Canon rumours are saying EF-M is a no go, and that Canon are doing no more. That the R7 is going to take over for APS-Cclassiccameras wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 1:36 pm Your probably right, I recently invested in a Canon M5, love it, easy to hold and operate, you also get a FS adaptor in the kit. The kit lens is a very good performer compared to most other brand kit lenses. Negative side, poor lens selection so far. but I can hang a couple of FS lenses on the front with the adaptor. I still have my old 650D but it hardly gets used now.
If so,we've all bought into go nowhere systems!
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And a cheaper R10
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Maybe I buy a Nikon 28-300mm when everyone has dumped it for mirrorless
Maybe I'll buy an EF-M when they have tons around for video
Still it is odd, if they do call time on it - as it's been a strong seller from what I hear. I suppose they want to unify the mount. I'm still of the view, that it's a notable mistake from Canon, to completely ignore their EOS users. Their last affordable DSLR was the underwhelming 6dII, and the 5DIV is getting on a bit. 1DX III is top end stuff, not for mere mortals. This is why I ignored Canon and went Nikon - I think there is more chance of things happening on Nikon, and there is at least more up to date bodies. I know so many EOS users, who are really not happy Canon are shutting the door on them, many shoot professionally, many prefer OVF's (some use both but a large no. won't move they say)
The adapter EOS is very easy, I give them that to shift over. Yet if you dislike EVF's where is the choice? Used gear down the road?
I would at least expect them to make stuff for a good while longer, unlike Sony who just did the silent treatment (lol). I personally don't like Canon's way of doing business -they're just ignoring their users too. R7 might be a hit, but I think it might be expensive too, as in full frame expensive. Can they move over their long neglected APS-C action shooters? Fuji are evidently dropping something very soon.
Wonder how the new OM camera is doing? This is where I am a bit more cost v many FF cameras! One for Henry's wish list
I don't think Olympus or Panasonic are about to fool about with different mounts. At least there is a very good lens choice with M/4/3 and a good used market. Although Panasonic have a few FF cameras, I wonder if Olympus dare put their toe in the FF water.
I don't mind EVF's the Sony one is quite good, so is my Panasonic FZ 330 bridge. I wouldn't say the EVF on the M5 is anything to write home about. My old Canon 650D OVF is nicer to use. Most of Canon's sales globally are consumer DSLR's with a few venturing into the enthusiasts camp.
I would like to see what Cropped APS-C cameras are due to be launched by Canon, and are they giving up small, may be expensive as you point out.
I think my Canon loyalty has now gone.
Sony had no PR to talk of and everything was done by stealth
The big camera stores in Japan are great.
I've not really taken it in yet, it seems as I would expect going for the 7D crowd with the R7. The R10 is sort of "expensive entry level" to me, I can see how it might appeal as a more budget friendly option. Yet those $500 Canon entry DSLR's, they are sort of the price people are into - starting off that is. I don't think a grand is going to work as the new entry level.
Surprised the EVF's are lower res, for the R7 anyway (R10 is lower magnification quite a bit less). R10 also has that crappy small battery. Seems to me the R7 is where the action is. Price, sort of as expected on that near the Fuji XT4
That weird Joystick/combi dial on the R7 is unusual. I'm not sure how that is going to work, it looks a bit "high" like the R5/6 in placement.
Both bodies have AF/MF and a button in the middle, R6/7 don't have this! Canon finally worked out it's a good idea to have an ISO button on the top plate, again missing from R6/7. I am thinking maybe R6/7 refresh late this year or early 2023? Canon don't normally like to have too many differences on body design, and there are a few here on cheaper bodies.
They do sort of do what Sony did not on E Mount, offer at least one action/sports/wildlife - serious body with dual slots. The "mini DSLR" look is what Canon seem to like, aside from missing buttons/dials I would like to see. I think the body shape is nicer than the boxy Sony stuff. BTW that old shot from Henry in 2012, in the camera shop. How obvious it was Sony were pushing E Mount much more v A mount. That big NEX7 banner, smaller A77 one under that. Clear as day where Sony were going there, even 10 years ago writing was on the wall!
I thought with the M5 canon were going to get serious about CSC, like Nikon have, but that might all change as well for Nikon. I'm very disappointed that Canon have or are abandoning M mount as it was a good CSC that had potential although at launch it was way over expensive.
I don't think I would be interested on the new Canon R10, I would rather move to M/4/3, or Fuji
1 Grand odd isn't going to fly for most for an "entry level" camera. Lot of DSLR's hit the spot at half that price, that's the sweet spot. If camera makers want to get people interested, prices are going to have to come down. (once the chip thing is over!). 300 less maybe
R7 might do better, for me I'd rather go FF at these prices (plenty of used stuff around half that price). I'm not a wildlife shooter though, some are.
I don't count Nikon as so far I don't see a high interest in APS-C on MILC. Fuji are about to release some new stuff, I think the price will be even higher, let's see what they do. Sony are at this time asleep on APS-C, their original customers ;-D. No stock, nothing being made - maybe they can do a comeback!
Can't see Canon supporting 3 mounts, they could but I think M is going to be wound down, EOS is mostly too - nothing happening there at all. Their last DSLR FF was 2017, hence why I didn't buy it, price is alright, not putting up with that lousy dated sensor sorry Canon
I honestly would have looked at an R6, it's just too expensive for me about 600 more than I paid for the Nikon DSLR, again sorry Canon you're too pricey, and over 2.5 grand for a plastic body, that's a hard one to accept too.
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