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Sonolta wrote:http://www.colormatters.com/khouw.html

A few extractions...
Interesting psychology/taste studies but, of course, totally unconnected with colour vision or colour science.

If you dig out the original colour science which led to the development of CIE Lab colour space, you'll find some interesting stuff about the relatively limited samples of test subjects used to determine the gamut of human vision in the early (pre-war) days. The researchers did not use a sufficiently large sample, or cover a diversity of genetic origins. Some of it was put right in the 1980s but today, with better illuminant sources and far better access to large samples of people of all origins living in many different parts of the world, the shape of the known human-vision colour space could probably be improved or even expanded.

Taste in colour is also ethnically and culturally influenced and I'll almost bet those 1940s-50s etc researchers relied on students as samples. By 1967, I still wouldn't trust human-sample-group research; by 1990, more chance of the researchers being aware that a trial conducted in Athens Georgia could come out very differently from one held in Athens Greece!

Also, tastes can be changed by art trends. Right now in Europe there is movement to use desaturated, high contrast images with added noise and strong lighting. See: http://www.robertjwilson.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for many examples - the style partly comes from the retouching/pp house used by the ad agency Wilson mainly works for. Although some saturated colour is used today, it almost belongs in the past. Around 1982 I did a four-pager feature in Amateur Photographer called 'Hypercolour' using models in the studio with brilliantly coloured leotards, dyed fans, feathers, vinyl drops, gelled lights - cocktail accessories, fruit, perspex with transillumination etc. It was the first feature of its kind using relatively new E6 slide films (though back in the 1970s, I did a similar saturated colour article in Photo Technique using Recording Film 2483 and E-4 development).

Today, saturated colour is totally out of favour in European fashion and advertising - the exact opposite of the 1980s. And just as most social photography is now monochrome (70% of award winners are b/w or toned effects), even product photography is going that way. I've just done a cover and centre spread feature on a leading Russian wedding photographer, Laslo Gabany, because his fantastic rich colour - Russians love colour! - is so different to the b/w 'art' the western European market has preferred.

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David Kilpatrick wrote: Also, tastes can be changed by art trends. Right now in Europe there is movement to use desaturated, high contrast images with added noise and strong lighting. See: http://www.robertjwilson.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; for many examples - the style partly comes from the retouching/pp house used by the ad agency Wilson mainly works for. Although some saturated colour is used today, it almost belongs in the past.
Technology affect too the actual trend: since Canon is the dominant in the camera market, Canon colors (that green cast everywhere...) too. That makes Minolta colors look over saturated :roll: while Sony and Nikon colors are more neutral, unless you use the Autumn creative style on your A700 :-p
David Kilpatrick wrote: Today, saturated colour is totally out of favour in European fashion and advertising - the exact opposite of the 1980s. And just as most social photography is now monochrome (70% of award winners are b/w or toned effects)
Well: black and white on social (events) photography is mostly due to the bad technique of the photographers: most of the times that B/W print you see had been taken with the WB off. Or photographs just taken with a camera with nasty colors (do you remember the Nikon D70?)
New trend will be off camera flashes, since Nikon is handling wireless pretty good now (BTW, Sony has to fix their mistake on wireless and A900 and the 58) and Canon supposedly will catch up.
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Don, that's NY. Try Barcelona or Milan. You would be amazed. You can visit Barcelona and hardly see any colour except black, grey and some muted maroon, deep purple, brown, sepia etc shades. The city is stylish in the extreme, but women dress very dark and men - just in black. I've visited Milan and been into the fashion houses which supply the goods, and generally Italy uses more colour, but they still control the palette very tightly.

Shirly did her MSc in Colour Science at the Scottish College of Textiles, which is where many of the fabric industry leaders worldwide send their trainees - it is mainly about fabrics and dyes, but she did photographic/Photoshop lab colour and dye sub/thermal wax printing methods for her thesis (in 1995, she was one of the first to do so - before colour management was introduced into Photoshop, she produced a set of lookup tables to allow fabric colours to be shown accurately using Kodak and other printers). Pantone is only poaching on territory with their stuff. The real work is done using dyes totally unrelated to anything Pantone does.

We were able to invite a Pakistani dyer from Karachi to spend Christmas Day with us - strange experience for him probably - and the next year, I ended up leading workshops in Scottish music and teaching a Chinese classical guitarist to play Auld Lang Syne - both were sent to Scotland to learn about dye technology. Ultimately, it's what they can do with the dyes and the new fibres which determines the choices for the fashion industry, but some company get it wrong and others hit the right mark.

If I look back, I can trace the current 'desaturation' trend to Hennes & Mauritz fifteen years ago. Before that we had Laura Ashley and everything was sunny and bright!

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I would like to see a change of colours to something more optimistic than we have had over the last few years in Britain. They seem to reserve all the best colours for underwear.

The colours agreed for each season are important because the whole signage, point of sale, window dressing etc is geared round them, and the industry does actually meet to agree the direction they are going in.

One thing which has happened here, which is relevant right now, is that Christmas colours have changed beyond recognition. They used to be pure bright green and red mainly, but always very bright and primary. Now they are all muted dull colours - purples, browns, grey, silver, ultra-dark green, maroon. I first saw these 'spicy' dark Christmas colours about 15 years ago in the USA and they did not look appealing for a British Christmas, but now they are everywhere, especially in Germany - and we get all the same goods of course.

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