Sony's first DSLR made in 1998 vs. Panasonic accompishments

[A1000]

DSC-D700
True SLR with large optical viewfinder.


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How Panasonic-Matsushita, the biggest electronic compnay differs from Sony, the 2nd biggest. While Sony concentrated on making the smallesct camcorder, Panasonic concentrated on making the largest toilet seat.:
http://www.japanaddicted.com/index.php? ... e&sid=4584" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.pobronson.com/SweetTart.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Bill Gates Loves Matsushita:
The Japanese men were very excited and kept knocking on the bathroom door, saying "Mister Gates, our turn, our turn." But Gates kepts saying "shut up, I’m thinking." When he finally came out, he’d figured it all out. He’d done some serious thinking on that toilet, in that moment. As he talked, it soon became clear that Bill Gates knew far more about doggie-doo that we’d ever considered. Forget about 2 million versus 8 million. Now, he wanted to buy my seat and the entire Matsushita toilet division.

[A1000]

Do you know how much in ad money at PopPhoto it cost them?

So who made the first DSLR? Minolta? Alpha brand in Japan?

[A1000]

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Sony No. 21
Canon No. 43
Panasonic No. 81

[A1000]

-Sonolta

PS...I did not know Coca-Cola sold cameras, A1000.

Today it is hard to know who owns whom, so Coca Cola could have sold cameras indirectly, but I did not say they did.
Look at the number of companes Sony has a majority share in. Note that Tamron is not on the list, as Sony is only the 2nd major shareholder:



Sony Americas Holding,Inc



Sony Australia Ltd.



Sony Benelux B.V.



Sony Berlin G.m.b.H.



SONY BMG MANAGEMENT CO., LLC



Sony BMG Music Entertainment



SONY BMG MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT BV



Sony Brasil Ltda.



Sony Broadband Entertainment Inc.



Sony Capital Corporation



Sony Computer Entertainment America Inc.



Sony Computer Entertainment Europe Limited.



Sony Corp. of America



Sony Corporation of Hong Kong Ltd.



Sony Corporation of Panama, S. A.



Sony (China) Limited



Sony DADC US Inc.



Sony de Mexico S.A. de C.V.



Sony Deutschland G.m.b.H.



Sony Device Technology (Thailand) Co., Ltd.



Sony Electronics Asia Pacific Pte.Lte.



Sony Electronics Inc.



Sony Electronics (Singapore) Pty. Ltd.



Sony Electronics of Korea Corp.



Sony Electronics (Wuxi) Co., Ltd.



Sony EMCS (Malaysia) Sdn. Bhd.



Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications, AB



Sony Espana, S.A.



Sony Europa B.V.



Sony Europe Holding B.V.



Sony Film Holding Inc.



Sony France S.A.



Sony Global Treasury Services Plc.



Sony Gulf FZE.



Sony Holding (Asia) B.V.



Sony Hungaria kft



Sony India Pvt. Ltd.



Sony International (Hong Kong) Ltd.



Sony Italia S.p.A.



Sony Korea Corporation



Sony Latin America Inc.



Sony Magnetic Products Inc. of America



Sony Music Entertainment Inc.



Sony Music Holding Inc.



Sony Network Taiwan Ltd.



Sony Nordic A/S



Sony of Canada Ltd.



Sony Overseas S.A.



Sony Pictures Cable Ventures Inc.



Sony Pictures Digital Inc.



Sony Pictures Entertainment Inc.



Sony Pictures Home Entertainment Inc.



Sony Pictures Releasing Corporation



Sony Pictures Television, Inc.



Sony Precision Devices (Huizhou) Co., Ltd.



Sony Service Centre (Europe) N.V.



Sony Taiwan Limited.



Sony Technology (Malaysia) Sdn. Bhd



Sony Technology (Thailand) Co., Ltd.



Sony Thai Co., Ltd.



Sony United Kingdom Ltd.



Sony U.S. Funding Corporation



BE-ST Bellevuestrasse Development GmbH & Co. First Real Estate KG.



C3D Corp.



Califon Productions, Inc.



Columbia Pictures Industries, Inc.



CPE Holdings, Inc.



CPT Holdings, Inc.



Gracenote, Inc.



Inter Trust Technologies Corporation



Jeopardy Productions, Inc.



LEP Communications Inc.



LEP Holdings, Inc.



Lot, Inc.



MGM Holdings, Inc.



PEP Communications



SEL Holdings Inc.



Shanghai Suoguang Electronics Co., Ltd



Shanghai Suoguang Visual Products Co., Ltd



S-LCD Corporation



S-LCD Holding AB



SPE Corporate Services Inc.



Tandem Licensing Corporation



TriStar Pictures, Inc.



TriStar Television, Inc.
Sony Assurance Inc.



Sony Bank Inc.



Sony Broadband Solutions Corporation



Sony Broadcast Media Co., Ltd



Sony Chemical & Information Device Corporation



Sony Computer Entertainment Inc.



Sony Computer Science Laboratories, Inc.,



Sony Digital Network Applications Inc.



Sony Disc & Digital Solutions Inc.



Sony EMCS Corporation.



Sony Energy Device Corporation.



Sony Engineering Corporation



Sony Enterprise Co., Ltd.



Sony Facility Management Corporation



Sony Finance International, Inc.



Sony Financial Holdings, Inc.



Sony Global Solutions Inc.



Sony Human Capital Corporation.



Sony Institute of Higher Education Shohoku College



Sony Life Insurance Co., Ltd.



Sony LSI Design Inc.



Sony Manufacturing Systems Corporation



Sony Marketing (Japan) Inc.



Sony Music Communications Inc.



Sony Music Distribution (Japan) Inc.



Sony Music Entertainment (Japan) Inc.



Sony Music Manufacturing Inc.



Sony Optiarc Inc.



Sony PCL Inc.



Sony Semiconductor Kyushu Corporation



Sony Shiroishi Semicondustor Inc.



Sony Style (Japan) Inc.



Sony Supply Chain Solutions, Inc.



Sony/Taiyo Corporation



bitWallet, Inc.



FeliCa Networks, Inc



Frontage Inc.



Kyoshin Technosonic Co., Ltd.



REASON Corporation



So-net Entertainment Corporation



So-net M3, Inc.



ST Liquid Crystal Display Corp.



ST Mobile Display Corporation



Star Channel, Inc.

[bfitzgerald]

Without brand bashing here

Panasonic have done well to establish themselves in the compact, superzoom market. I wish sony would put as much effort into cybershot as pannie do with lumix.
However, Panasonic's entry into the DSLR market, was a complete disaster..I expect the G1 to do better, and for them to carry on with this type of micro 4/3 thing. But the problem with that is, Panasonic will not get into bargain basement DSLR price ranges. So it will limit their market share. They have consistently shown, esp with their high end compacts, that they want to maintain strong profit margins. This will ensure they never are in a position to challenge the top 3.
The other major what if problem, is if any top maker comes along and does micro APS or something like it, they will probably spell the kiss of death to micro 4/3.
I honestly think they are better off sticking to superzooms and compacts, they don't have the muscle to compete with the big boys, nor the right approach.

[A1000]

Samsung said they will get into it with APS-C size micro in a big way. Panasonic and Olympus will soon find themselves in the same corner as with 4/3. The majors will do the same thing with APS-C and with adaptors their syatems will be comaptible with a lot of old lenses. Panasonic and Olympus will be successful for a short time only with their micro. Micro is supposed to save their system, which is failing in the marketplace. IMHO I think that they are wasting their time.

[Allam2009]

A1000

Regarding the list of companies that you have supplied that Sony have an interest in, with the exception of Sony Ericsson,these are wholly owned subsidiaries of Sony Corporation - not companies that Sony simply has an interest in. Please also note that this list is very out of date (Sony Europa BV and BE-ST, for example, have been disolved).

Please could you at least attempt to check the validity of your data before you post? It makes it easier to read interesting information rather than junk.

[Dr. Harout]

Allam2009, good to join us, so welcome to the forum.
Happy New Year.

[A1000]

A1000

Regarding the list of companies that you have supplied that Sony have an interest in, with the exception of Sony Ericsson,these are wholly owned subsidiaries of Sony Corporation - not companies that Sony simply has an interest in. Please also note that this list is very out of date (Sony Europa BV and BE-ST, for example, have been disolved).

Please could you at least attempt to check the validity of your data before you post? It makes it easier to read interesting information rather than junk.

not true, these are not only subsidiaries, but also joint ventures, companies, where Sony has ceratin percentage of shares, etc.

[Allam2009]

A1000

The majority are wholly owned subsidiaries. Sony Ericsson is a 50:50 joint venture. There are a number that are either dormant or have been disolved (one at least 2 years ago). The remaining appear to be production companies that make shows for Sony Pictures Television although I do not have the information on hand to check exactly what interest if any Sony has in these.

If you would like me to provide full confirmation on these let me know and I will do this when I get to work tomorrow?

Dr Harout

Thanks for the welcome - I have been lurking in the background for a while but as I work for Sony I didn't want to sign up as I didn't want to be bombarded with questions about new products!!!

[A1000]

go to sony.net

[Allam2009]

So by your own admission you have simply copied and pasted information found on the net (again) without understanding what this actually relates to. I have had a check earlier today and found the following:

12 companies are dormant or closed
8 are joint ventures (50:50 with another company)
109 are divisions of 80 wholly owned subsidiaries of Sony Corporation

When Sony notify the SEC of quarterly earnings or publish financial reports for Sony Corporation the above companies (and some not on your list) make up the data. These are not 3rd party companies that Sony has a stake in.

I find some of your posts interesting (like the wish list for new lenses in the PMA thread) but the vast majority seem to be random data found on the internet and posted out of context. Please try to stick to the interesting stuff as I personally find that the rest just doesn't seem to have any merit here!

[A1000]

Regarding the list of companies that you have supplied that Sony have an interest in, with the exception of Sony Ericsson,these are wholly owned subsidiaries of Sony Corporation

Buddy, you are keeping on totally contradicting yourself. After you study up on the subject, please post some meaningful information.

[Allam2009]

OK - I admit that I underestimated the number of equity entities in my earlier post but on a day to day basis I am only involved with the European operation and most of these other ones are outside of this. I still believe that you are posting information that has no real meaning within the context of the post but in the interest of forum peace (and so I don't look too pedantic in my first posts) this will be my last post on the subject.

[A1000]

Neither Matsushita, nor Sony are pure electronic companies. Sony is heavily involved in entertainment and Panasonic in electrical products.

Byuing Sanyo will give Matsushita more capacity to make inexpensive cameras, as Sanyo assemled cameras for many comapnies, including Olympus.

With Sanyo, Matsushita also bought the Fischer brand, so we may see it resurected in audio systems.